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Title: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Andrew on June 25, 2008, 07:38:48 PM
For those that are interested an updated version of "Tolmachevo TEAM" UNNT Tolmachevo has appeared at Avsim.ru.

link:http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14333&hl= (http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14333&hl=)

Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: KampfHase on June 25, 2008, 09:06:16 PM
Thanks for sharing this info :)
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Ben on June 25, 2008, 09:51:09 PM
That should go nicely with my S7 plans! :)
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Mosha on June 26, 2008, 12:35:33 AM
I get a file inaccessable or removed message  ???
Edit. OK this one worked http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14344&hl=
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: csturdiv on June 26, 2008, 01:51:17 AM
Nice, I liked the first version.  I have yet to reinstall the first version in my current FS build.  Do I need to install that one and then this one, or can I just go with this one?  Guess I could wait until the download finishes and I could Readme, but what is the fun in that?  ;D
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Andrew on June 26, 2008, 02:02:35 AM
The readme is in Russian , but from what I can see ,you don't need any of the old files.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: M-Sauce on June 26, 2008, 03:08:29 AM
UNNT and URSS are by far two of my favorite freeware add-ons. UNNT goes even a little above URSS in that it has such realistic ground textures.

My Russian AI was almost non-existent before I installed UNNT. After I went crazy for a couple of days and using google translator, was able to rumage through AVSIM-ski and install all sorts of unheard-of russian AI and airports.

Thanks for sharing this little tid-bit. It has been downloaded and will be installed after breakfast!  ;)

Mariano  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Ben on June 26, 2008, 07:42:04 AM
I agree, Russian aviation is a whole different world completely, and absolutely fascinating - love it! (incase nobody could tell by my choice of flightplanning  ;D )
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: csturdiv on June 26, 2008, 12:49:00 PM
I am insanely jealous of my little brother.  He recently flew on American to Moscow and then on Transaero to Khabarovsk for a week long visit.  He is not as much into aviation that I am, so he didn't get to appreciate seeing the Russian aircraft like I would've.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Ben on June 26, 2008, 01:13:42 PM
Russian aircraft are fun to fly on! I've been on the Tu-154 and 134 and let me tell you, it's nothing like those western aircraft you are used to. Lots of LOUD noises and vibrations!  :heehee:
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Tupolev144 on June 26, 2008, 05:07:19 PM
I would love to visit Russia one day and to fly on a real Russian airliner myself!
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Ben on June 26, 2008, 05:14:51 PM
Here's a pretty good clip showing the Tu-134 from a pax POV:

Takeoff:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9D533hwKKCU

Landing:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CfEZ6p-sorg


Listen to those engines!
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: M-Sauce on June 27, 2008, 04:14:17 AM
That is sweet, I love old jet sound.

Those Tupolev engineers sure like using anhedral. When you look at the wingtip during taxiing it looks as if they have a flat tire!  ;D

One of my favorite free-ware airplanes is the Tu124. Those wingroot mounted engines make it look like a military bomber...actually, it probably was designe as such.  ::)


Mariano  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Tupolev144 on June 27, 2008, 06:58:11 AM
For those that are interested an updated version of "Tolmachevo TEAM" UNNT Tolmachevo has appeared at Avsim.ru.

link:http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14333&hl= (http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14333&hl=)

I've installed this wonderful scenery, I've got a small problem though, the default scenery is flickering through the add-on scenery at several parts of the runway. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? And does anyone know a fix for it?

Thanks in advance,
Peter
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Sloeber on June 27, 2008, 07:05:26 AM
I didn't see it (yet), but I was busy watching a TU-something approaching.. ;)
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Per Ardua Ad Ars on June 27, 2008, 08:06:51 AM
Those Tupolev engineers sure like using anhedral. When you look at the wingtip during taxiing it looks as if they have a flat tire!  ;D

One of my favorite free-ware airplanes is the Tu124. Those wingroot mounted engines make it look like a military bomber...actually, it probably was designe as such.  ::)

I guess you know that anhedral makes a design more unstable and improves maneuverability - which answers part 2 of your post!
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: M-Sauce on June 27, 2008, 09:37:59 AM
I wonder why they would want such a feature on an airliner? I know that the Tu 134 had several accidents due to low-time guys getting in trouble flying it, probably due to its instability.

Maybe they used the anhedral to keep the gear legs shorter, maybe to help with un-improved field conditions, reducing the probability of damaging the gear.  ??? ??? ???

I love how the gear retracts into pods on the wings. Makes them look like external tanks.  ::evilgrin::

Mariano  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Loc on June 27, 2008, 12:28:12 PM
For those that are interested an updated version of "Tolmachevo TEAM" UNNT Tolmachevo has appeared at Avsim.ru.

link:http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14333&hl= (http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14333&hl=)

I've installed this wonderful scenery, I've got a small problem though, the default scenery is flickering through the add-on scenery at several parts of the runway. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? And does anyone know a fix for it?

Thanks in advance,
Peter

try downloading this updated version:
http://www.avsim.ru/files.phtml?action=download&id=14344&hl=

and download this patch
http://avsim.ru/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=157296
put it to "fs9\Addon scenery\UNNT-2008\scenery", ths should fix flickering problem..

They promise to make a patch for UNNT-2008 and release it (with patch) on avsim.com with english manual.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Tupolev144 on June 27, 2008, 02:43:22 PM
Thanks, I'll try that.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Per Ardua Ad Ars on June 27, 2008, 03:16:41 PM
I wonder why they would want such a feature on an airliner? I know that the Tu 134 had several accidents due to low-time guys getting in trouble flying it, probably due to its instability.

Maybe they used the anhedral to keep the gear legs shorter, maybe to help with un-improved field conditions, reducing the probability of damaging the gear.  ??? ??? ???

Well, considering the time it was built, a troop transport was another possible use for them. It always fascinated me to see the olive-drab wheel hubs on "civilian" planes.

Shorter gear for rough fields would surely compromise the undersurface of the wings if stuff was thrown up, and the huge flap area (and massive ventral spoiler) would certainly have gotten a hammering. The BAe-146's short gear is hung far out to minimize the same problems, engines forward of the main gear, wing way above the gear, no thrust reverse. Going back to the Tupolevs, shorter oleos for the gear would definitely minimize the lateral stresses for hard stops or short fields, but FOD would be more of a problem. Maybe the underwing and those pods are more armored than usual?

I think any handling problems the Tu-134 has might be more due to the fact that the airplane seemed to fly approaches quite "hot" (although I believe its landing speed is/was 141kt), it always seemed fast on finals from my younger point of view. Also, its a small airliner but still a fairly massive thing to move around the sky and there's the inertia thing going on (just no pendular stability due to the anhedral - I always used to visualize anhedral & dihedral as sitting on top of a beachball rather than laying in a hammock - as an instant reminder of the forces involved, that image worked well for me - and you can't relax on a beachball).

Since the 134's wing is highly swept (about 7 or 8 degrees more than the usual airliners of its class) it would be more prone to tip stall (because more air would flow out along the span and not be creating lift by simply crossing the wing "like it should do" (and the reason for things like the big wing fences on the contemporary Caravelle). I think because of that factor, finals would be flown quite hot and the barn-door flaps used to bring the speed right down for touchdown. Once a swept wing gets tip-stall it produces an up-pitch because the CofP moves forward (only the inboard parts of the wing are still flying), and that just increases the tip stall even more, so it would be one of those areas that a sane pilot, or an experienced one, would stay well away from.

Even in a typical light trainer, a hot approach is always a source of problems-in-waiting (witness the number of C152 nosewheel collapses when the inexperienced pilot tries to keep the airplane on the ground after a hot approach, and wonders why the runway end is getting so close). I think in something like the 134 that would be the source of major problems for the inexperienced pilot. Must be a good feeling to get it right though.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: alpet on June 29, 2008, 01:55:39 PM
Not the same guys, but yes, it's free for now.  :)
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Tupolev144 on June 29, 2008, 07:04:40 PM
Not the same guys, but yes, it's free for now.  :)

BTW. Alpet, is RATS still alive? It's been a long time since the release of your last packages, I'm really looking forward to more Il-76s.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: alpet on June 29, 2008, 08:34:27 PM
Not the same guys, but yes, it's free for now.  :)

BTW. Alpet, is RATS still alive? It's been a long time since the release of your last packages, I'm really looking forward to more Il-76s.
Still alive and will celebrate the second birthday soon - July, 17.  :)
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Tupolev144 on June 30, 2008, 11:54:13 AM
Thanks for your quick reaction alpet, I'm looking forward to July 17th.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: ckopnuo-67 on June 06, 2012, 05:19:44 AM
after the release of the scene UNNT many years have passed. the band 16/34 is already working. I made a small correction AFCAD - extended taxiway on the band 16/34, and added ILS according to the schemes. if this hotfix is interesting, where I can give?
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Hannes44 on June 06, 2012, 09:09:40 PM
@ckopnuo-67

There is a version UNNT 2012 with runway 16/34 available on avsim.rus: 44908-UNNT-2012.zip

 or on avsim.com: unnt-2012.zip
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: GHB on June 07, 2012, 06:49:24 AM
after the release of the scene UNNT many years have passed.

4 years later, congrats for a 1st post!

(http://www.terradesignsolutions.com/images/Img26.gif)

 :D

GHB
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: ckopnuo-67 on June 09, 2012, 04:45:40 AM
Version UNNT-2012 is made for FS2004! I added the version of Alfa-India for FSX
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Hornets Nest on June 09, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
Hi

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Version UNNT-2012 is made for FS2004! I added the version of Alfa-India for FSX

That's good news but you added my UNNT where ?

I wouldn't like to equate my UNNT to the work of the Tolmachevo Team as mine is an enhanced afcad with some scenery elements and not a full add on scenery produced by a team dedicated to that one airport.  ;)
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: ckopnuo-67 on June 10, 2012, 02:24:59 AM
I want to give an updated AFCAD from AIG and added elements of the landscape! Since version UNNT-2012 in FSX does not look like in FS2004.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Hornets Nest on June 10, 2012, 11:56:41 AM
Hi

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I want to give an updated AFCAD from AIG and added elements of the landscape! Since version UNNT-2012 in FSX does not look like in FS2004.

Ah, okay I think I understand.  This relates to your original post above where you said:

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after the release of the scene UNNT many years have passed. the band 16/34 is already working. I made a small correction AFCAD - extended taxiway on the band 16/34, and added ILS according to the schemes. if this hotfix is interesting, where I can give?

The short answer is that you cannot make changes to my work and upload it anywhere.  I am quite sure you mean well and just want to help others but you could only be updating from the original afcad I released and that means that you will probably have lost elements of my original work, such as the navaids and approaches.

In addition, the copyright of the my original UNNT for FSX belongs to me and any updates to it can only be released with my permission.  Naturally, you are entirely free to make updates just for your own sim but be warned about the problems with approaches and navaids that come from making an update from the original afcad.

If you want an update to my FSX version released, you either need to wait until I update my own work (from the project file) or else make a new one yourself from scratch.   ;)

If I misunderstood what you wanted to say, my apologies and please clarify.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: ckopnuo-67 on June 11, 2012, 11:42:08 AM
Yes, I took Your UNNT and means of Airport Design Editor made amendments to it connected the рулежную way to 16/34 with the main added, markings and lights on 16/34, ILS 16/34, according to schemes, and changed the NDB "EB" with 1170,0 kHz to 816,0 kHz.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Tom C. on June 11, 2012, 11:44:25 AM
Yes, I took Your UNNT and means of Airport Design Editor made amendments to it connected the рулежную way to 16/34 with the main added, markings and lights on 16/34, ILS 16/34, according to schemes, and changed the NDB "EB" with 1170,0 kHz to 816,0 kHz.
:oops: not good.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Hornets Nest on June 11, 2012, 12:28:40 PM
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Yes, I took Your UNNT and means of Airport Design Editor made amendments to it connected the рулежную way to 16/34 with the main added, markings and lights on 16/34, ILS 16/34, according to schemes, and changed the NDB "EB" with 1170,0 kHz to 816,0 kHz.

That's fine, of course, so long as you keep it only for yourself in your own sim.

Let me clarify some reasons why the copyright is so important and why I do not agree to you uploading your amendment of my file anywhere:  my UNNT is an AIG file and went through exhaustive beta testing before it was released.  Two scenarios:

1.  If you release it mentioning that it was originally my work and there is anything wrong with it, I will get complaints by e-mail - so it can damage my reputation.

2.  If you release it without mentioning that it was originally my work, you are using something that took many, many hours of my time to develop, test and improve without ackowledging that.  The changes you have made are very, very minor compared to the original development.

As it is an airport a lot of people are interested in (well over 2,000 downloads of my UNNT on Avsim.su alone) I will try to find time to update it myself.  I can't promise when that will be.   ;)
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: ckopnuo-67 on June 11, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
I want to give it to You for evaluation! My changes in it are very small, but they give more realism in FSX! Modified AFCAD I use only for myself and was very pleased with him - IA-traffic takes off and sits on the runway, irrespective of online weather, moves around the airport on taxiways, rooms Parking facilities, and their situation has remained the same.
Title: Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
Post by: Hornets Nest on June 11, 2012, 04:42:46 PM
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I want to give it to You for evaluation! My changes in it are very small, but they give more realism in FSX!

I am glad to hear it is working well for you and of course it will be more realistic.  If I get time to make an update, I shall make it from my file with up to date charts, so thanks for your offer but I don't really get time (1 year old son) to evaluate other people's efforts.  However, if I am stuck for source material, I may ask you for help on that - mainly photos.

Rest assured, I have it on my list to update as soon as I can and I will see if Bruce can spare the time to kindly make the approaches up to date and accurately.  ;)