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Title: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: jetsetterace on January 08, 2020, 04:31:41 AM
Still a developing story at this point, but it appears that a 737-800 operated by Ukraine International has crashed during initial climbout from Tehran IKA :'(

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51029994

Exact frame is UR-PSR according to FlightRadar24:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569

Obviously there are more details that are yet to be reported. But eyewitness videos are already circulating that appear to show what looks to be flames coming off the aircraft. One can be found in the comments to FR24's tweet regarding the situation:

https://twitter.com/carp3/status/1214757516036493312
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: bradley27 on January 08, 2020, 11:27:13 AM
The hairs on my arm stand when watching that video, can you imagine the horror onboard?!
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: DHC8 on January 08, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
Tragic  :'(

And I read that Iran won't give Boeing the black boxes
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: Boeing777LTD on January 08, 2020, 01:52:20 PM
 Tragic indeed, may the souls rest in peace  ::urgent::. it is a 737-800W NG and it is only 3 years old and if it is well maintained and ofc the pilots are definitely competent and fit to fly as it is too late in the aviation era for the opposite of that to happen, I don’t think it could be anything technical but well only know after the investigation. But referencing to the info DHC8 said and also what ppl said they saw on flight radar as well as how the debris was scattered and the current situation around the airspace I’m afraid it could be something else. If the amazon 767 crash still hasn’t been closed then it might be a while till we understand fully why this happened.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: bradley27 on January 08, 2020, 02:02:17 PM
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: Boeing777LTD on January 08, 2020, 03:30:34 PM
 Indeed
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: Frontier on January 08, 2020, 03:43:12 PM
Tragic and sad.  :'( I flew on UR-PSR from Kiev to Amsterdam in October 2016 when it was just a few months old.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: jetsetterace on January 08, 2020, 07:30:00 PM
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

Seems to be a popular theory so far, but I'm not on board with it at this time. To me, it seems like we would have seen the aircraft explode in the video as soon as a missile hit it. The other side of that coin is that it could have been struck by anti-aircraft guns instead of a missile. No matter what happened, it's a tragedy :'(
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: miwe on January 08, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

Sorry Brian, not my point of view. Any speculation at this point and at this time about the circumstances of this tragedy should be omited in respect of the victims and their families .  And it is no support of the truth which might be usefull to all involved. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: Ryan1549 on January 08, 2020, 08:17:01 PM
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

I also think it was a missile yes, at this point it is speculation however if you look at the facts we already know,

1. Iran's president had recently threatened to shoot a plane down

2. PS752 was one of the first departures of the morning from Tehran

3. Very experience crew of 3 with between 7600-12000 hours on the 737 each, also with 3 in the Cockpit one would have had time to contact ATC if it was just an engine failure

4. The area the aircraft flew over was the area missiles were launched from just hours earlier

5.  Debris field is spread over a mile, suggesting mid air breakup

6. A engine failure wouldn't cause such a crash, the theories of it causing a fuel tank issue are almost impossible
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: miwe on January 08, 2020, 08:45:51 PM
Remember the crash of the Concorde, nothing is impossible sadly.

And for example it makes no difference whether a aircraft starts as numer one or later. This means nothing. MH17 was also not the first plane..

Sorry guys, I understand, that everyone wants to know the truth as early as possible. But without any confirmed facts, they are and will be rumors, speculation.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2020, 08:50:08 PM
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

I also think it was a missile yes, at this point it is speculation however if you look at the facts we already know,

1. Iran's president had recently threatened to shoot a plane down

2. PS752 was one of the first departures of the morning from Tehran

3. Very experience crew of 3 with between 7600-12000 hours on the 737 each, also with 3 in the Cockpit one would have had time to contact ATC if it was just an engine failure

4. The area the aircraft flew over was the area missiles were launched from just hours earlier

5.  Debris field is spread over a mile, suggesting mid air breakup

6. A engine failure wouldn't cause such a crash, the theories of it causing a fuel tank issue are almost impossible

Re: 1)

Why would they shoot down an airliner from a non-hostile country, and with the majority of passengers being Iranians? That makes no sense.

I agree that it looks like it may be a missile, but I think it was accidental (like MH17).

The sticking point now is who is going to analyze the FDR/CVR? There's no way Iran is going to give those to Boeing.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: Boeing777LTD on January 08, 2020, 09:02:03 PM
 Is them refusing to hand over the blackboxes immoral or is there like a rule over who can have possession of the blackboxes?
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: jetsetterace on January 10, 2020, 05:22:53 AM
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/01/10/iran-plane-crash-missile-footage-orig-jk.cnn/video/playlists/tensions-with-iran/

Looks like the shootdown speculation could be correct :'(
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: bradley27 on January 10, 2020, 01:09:21 PM
Oh totally Ben, an accidental shoot down. I dont think this would have been intentional.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: RayP on January 10, 2020, 05:21:22 PM
Surely the two Black boxes are the property of the airline, not the country where the aircraft crashed. If the airline formerly requested for them to be handed back how could the Iranians refuse? To do so suggests guilt.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: miwe on January 10, 2020, 06:17:27 PM
At this point, I must admit, it could be a shot down by missile.  So sad! But it gives hope, that obviously none is aiming for any escalation in this conflict at that moment.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: AtropiN on January 11, 2020, 07:04:14 AM
Iran just confirmed they shot down the plane  :groan:
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: sharklet_a319 on January 11, 2020, 08:06:16 AM
Iran just confirmed they shot down the plane  :groan:

The only question, did they really think this was an enemy aircraft or was there really an enemy aircraft and the missile just hit the wrong target.

Whatever it is - sad that so many people lost their lives
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: miwe on January 11, 2020, 08:29:44 AM
My thoughts too, Chris.

Or you could ask if a military aircraft is likely to fly so slow and low or why a mistake occurred.
Title: Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
Post by: Per Ardua Ad Ars on January 16, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
Or the fact that it was right by a fairly well established civilian airport. Having SAMs and civilian traffic side-by-side, what could possibly go wrong?

There's a sad irony that Ukraine shot down a Russian airliner in 2001 during a live-fire exercise in Crimea.

So much hate in the world.