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Title: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 23, 2008, 08:30:43 AM
Hi Folks :)
 
I decided to provide you with all information you need to design good FDE's for AI aircraft, just read the story to understand the basics and open the website links below:
 
When I started designing AFCADs in fall 2002, typical AI behaviour was taking off from the runway, climbing and landing in a very unrealistic way. Shortly after I joined PAI as an AFCAD designer, someone told me how to tweak that, and I simply started to do it. Later I became the official FDE designer for the PAI models.
 
In FS2002 it was easy and often necessary to move the point of touch down forward or backward, in FS2004 this is nearly impossible and mostly not necessary. It's only one example for the differences of flight behaviour between the FS versions. After the release of FS2004 I had to rework all FDE set's, and later I again sent them to my workshop for a quality improvement. The result were named v5acof FDE's.
 
5 years ago, I found that it is nearly impossible to receive a good AI flight behaviour for all situations of flight simulation, today I'm more experienced, but circumstances haven't changed of course. For example, a B747 must be able to take off from a 7000ft runway, since this happens in real world at some airports. There are many examples for short and frequented runways worldwide. Additionally, many users prefer short braking distances to reduce go-arounds and increase the runway capacity. Every FDE set must consider this. Such base conditions mostly affect the behaviour in different flight situations, like take off speeds, which are mostly close to the upper level, and landing speeds at the lower level therefore. The AI engine does not know climb rate reductions during climb to cruise altitude, climb IAS speeds can be higher than in reality in lower airspace or reduce to unrealistic values the higher the aircraft climbs therefore.
 
Though the situation is much better nowadays, since many AI model designer's have recognized the demand for good FDE's, we still can download models that show a really evil flight behaviour, don't have the tires sitting on the apron correctly or have misplaced lights for example.
 
Today I announce the final development stage v5acofadv FDE's. As you can see on page AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html), I have improved take off and landing speeds, also approach speeds and touchdown behaviour is better, and porpoising on final is removed if it occurred. The first 9 sets are for all 5 AIG models, RMAI's A380, and the EAI A319. Download them and 210 FDE sets for other models from section 'Jan's FDE's' of my Website (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/).
 
The AIG B752 and the EAI A319 are available also as AltiPlano derivatives now, marked with AP. Just use the same model files for AltiPlano derivatives, but in separate folders with an 'AP' suffix, select particular aircraft you want to be able to descent to runways in deep valleys, and climb to cruise altitude without flying through mountains after take off. You will need such AltiPlano derivaties definately for ZUNZ Linzhi Tibet (AIG B752 AP CCA Air China) and for VQPR Paro Bhutan (EAI A319 AP DRK DrukAir). These FDE sets allow higher VSI values at a cost of more unrealistic speeds and runway length's, but of course you'd have to change and recompile the flightplans.
 
If you want to try FDE tweaking on your own, choose an airport at sea level, set all scenery display sliders to minimum, set wind speed to minimum and use clear weather conditions, deactivate all other AI traffic, and make sure your test aircraft flies curves shortly after take off and before final. Thus you can see how your test aircraft flies in all possible flight situations. You can do most changes with a texteditor, but for changing the *.air files you'll need a program like AirEd (http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004util&DLID=89432).
 
Open page AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html), and you'll get a very useful table that shows everything you change in flight behaviour by changing one single of the 12 basic parameters in the 'aircraft.cfg' file. Also information on the other parameters is provided below.
 
An important note: I don't recommend to use my FDE set's - which made for AI purposes - for user aircraft, because the AI engine does not work like pilots! A lot of additional settings have to be tweaked, for steering, wheel damping, the inertias, center of gravity and more! Also, I generally don't recommend the use of other addons which affect AI, and there is a lot availabe; final approach separation, taxiing speed, and - as I've learned now - even lights addon's.
 
Btw: there is a mirror of my website (http://janswebsites.100free.com/flightsim/) - as all know who read my readme's .
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vc-10 on December 23, 2008, 04:56:28 PM
I'm no FDE designer (I've no idea how anything works..), but would it be possible for the AntiPlano planes to simply use a different .air file, changed in the sim= section of the aircraft.cfg?

But anyway, thanks a huge amount for this, it seems like quite an effort!

PS is there any chance you could help doing a CFG for my EMB?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on December 23, 2008, 05:13:14 PM
wow this sounds very promising, many thanks indeed Jan. But the links aren't achievable right now  :-[
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: M-Sauce on December 23, 2008, 06:05:01 PM
Well Jan, thank you for fixing my 767-300 problem. I had started a post to see if anyone was experiencing the same as me (767 nosewheel digging in to the ground about half a foot), and it looks like you fixed it with your FDE and CFG.

I do have one problem. I am using your FDE and CFG for the BN-2 Islander. It behaves great and realistically as AI, but I think your settings have done something weird to the lights settings for Shockwave lights. I am using the ones from this website, as are many other I'm sure, and now my islander lights sit a few feet behind their intended postions on the model. The aircraft also seems to steer about its rear wheels, almost as if it had rear wheel steering.

I can live with the steering bit, but is there any chance you might come up with shockwave light settings that match the model??

Mariano  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Andy on December 23, 2008, 06:42:39 PM
Sounds like the center of gravity setting in the CFG has been moved rearward.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Tom C. on December 23, 2008, 08:14:50 PM
Seems the website is down for the moment Jan.
Looking forward to getting these files soon as its back.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 23, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Hi M-Sauce & Folks :)
 
I've edited the initial post by adding something at the bottom, that should answer your questions.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on December 24, 2008, 11:12:16 AM
hmm.. too bad I don't want to abandon on my shockwave lights  :(

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: M-Sauce on December 24, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
Yeah Jan, Shockwave lights are quite popular. They really add to the models.

By the way, I've figured out the BN2. I'm using Jan's .AIR file and Aircraft.cfg file, but I cut and pasted the original [WHEIGHT & BALANCE] and [CONTACT POINTS] back into the cfg file. This allows the aircraft to TO and Land like a BN-2, but it still steers like an airplane and the shockwave lights look normal now.

Mariano  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Klemen on December 24, 2008, 11:51:05 AM
Btw I found out that Shockwave lights take 2-3FPS on my system (when I turn the lights on)  :reaction:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Danny on December 24, 2008, 02:22:39 PM


In FS2002 it was easy and often necessary to move the point of touch down forward or backward, in FS2004 this is nearly impossible

It is actually possible and not difficult at all. Try changing flap settings, particularly flaps drag.

Additionally, many users prefer short braking distances to reduce go-arounds and increase the runway capacity. Every FDE set must consider this.

Some users do, others don't. I strongly disagree with the philisophy of Ai aircraft landing short and hard and exiting rwy via first taxiway. I want my AI to land as close as possible as aircraft in real life.

As you can see on page AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html),
Sorry to be a moaner but A318 rotation speed of 220kts?  ::surprise::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Klemen on December 24, 2008, 03:18:32 PM
Just to include my 2 cents, Ai landing distance should be long as much as aircraft needs to first real taxiway out - should not be too long, but to exit after 700m of touchdown is too short. I can tell for Ljubljana, aircrafts normaly vacate via G taxiway which is like 1700m from the runway beginning. but I often see AI planes to vacate via F which is 800m before, os just 900 from the beginning of the runway, much unreal. The same in Frankfurt as planes vacate via second taxiway on that runway.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on December 24, 2008, 07:51:06 PM
Additionally, many users prefer short braking distances to reduce go-arounds and increase the runway capacity. Every FDE set must consider this.

Some users do, others don't. I strongly disagree with the philisophy of Ai aircraft landing short and hard and exiting rwy via first taxiway. I want my AI to land as close as possible as aircraft in real life.

Ditto. AI should use realistic runway exits, speeds, and 'braking'.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Andy on December 24, 2008, 07:56:47 PM
Problem is - the closer we get to real world performance figures, the closer we get to absolute pandemonium at large airports in FS.

Striking a good balance between the pair, now that would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vc-10 on December 24, 2008, 08:04:07 PM
Well, having realistic performance and no pandemonium would be best.. if only the FS AI engine could handle it!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: M-Sauce on December 25, 2008, 05:31:03 AM
I tend to go for realistic performance. It is only the really busy airports during rush hours that get bogged down. And that is fine by me, I'm not on the tarmac waiting in que, and I'm not up in the air doing several go-arrounds staring at the fuel gauges. FS9 fuel is priced just right as well.  ;)

I've edited my AI's cfg files for realistic performance. I've derated a lot of the heavies so that they use up the right amount of runway length. I've got my A340s rolling about 8500 feet before liftoff, which is still quite sporty for the 340, which normally takes almost the whole length to get airborne (curvature of the earth technique  ::evilgrin:: )

The only planes that I've improved the performance for is the A319, B733, and the B737. This is because I need them to get airborne from SBRJ.  ;D

Mariano  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: rmk2008 on December 26, 2008, 10:30:25 AM
Hi All,
Hope you all had a great Christmas..
I've updated my .air and aircraft.cfg files with Jans but am getting problems. When I start at an airport all is well with the AI sitting nicely on the tarmac, but if I take off and return to it or fly to another airport the AI are either hovering above the tarmac or buried in it. The Airbuses are least affected,  the Aardvark are above the tarmac and AIG 757s are half buried. Any ideas why this should be and how I may fix it?
Thanks in advance
Peace
René
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Andy on December 26, 2008, 01:17:41 PM
Does this happen at all airports or just certain ones?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: rmk2008 on December 26, 2008, 02:17:22 PM
Does this happen at all airports or just certain ones?

thanks for replying!!
So far it seems to be all, default as well as addons
Peace
René
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 27, 2008, 09:33:55 PM
Hi Danny :)
 
Quote
Try changing flap settings, particularly flaps drag.
Do you mean the settings in the *.air file? Those in the aircraft.cfg have no significant affect, as you can see on my table.
Quote
I want my AI to land as close as possible as aircraft in real life.
As an FDE designer I have to consider the different demands of different people.
Quote
Sorry to be a moaner but A318 rotation speed of 220kts?
Don't apologize for beeing a moaner, but for picking one of the worst cases. However, you're right of course, and for the newer models from EvolveAI, TFS, CDAI, and most of the Aardvarks, I've plans to upgrade them to the higher adv standard next year, the AIG's are already updated.
 
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Hi Klemen :)
 
Quote
Ai landing distance should be long as much as aircraft needs to first real taxiway out - should not be too long, but to exit after 700m of touchdown is too short.
Facts from the real world:
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Hi rml2008 :)
 
On the one hand, your problem isn't unknown, and on the other hand, I don't know any solution for it since I have seen this years ago for the last time. However, floating over ground effect while parked at the start of a simulation situation can be removed by changing  the 'static_cg_height'. Did you check the airport altitude in the airports.txt to be correct, btw?
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Klemen on December 27, 2008, 10:26:37 PM

 
Hi Klemen :)
 
Quote
Ai landing distance should be long as much as aircraft needs to first real taxiway out - should not be too long, but to exit after 700m of touchdown is too short.
Facts from the real world:
Heya,

I know, but if this are aircrafts maximum landing/take off distances this should be taken, but something are short landing where in RL pilots land as short as possible, landings are hard and braking is maximum. But that can not be simulated but taking 1000m will do the trick I think. But this is a bit quick comperrison, would need to calculate for better post, but anyway, nice that someone is doing an upgrades on air files  ::cheers:: Thanks!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 10, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
Hi Folks :)
 
I now can announce that I have found solutions for some previously unsolved problems in the past weeks. The already released v5acofadv FDE's will be updated once again therefore. What you can expect:


Flaps finally extract more realistically, to about 50% already during descent before turning to ILS and before the gear is extracted.
 
Many simmers complained about too short runway length usage. I won't get away from my 4000ft / 7000ft policy, but I'll increase the rollout length.
 
Though the sets are named 'acof', you might try them for FSX, too. The wingspan values will be correct according to Reggie's table.
 
Release of the first batch of real v5acofadv FDE's for AIG's / DJC's / TFS's possibly in March ..
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on February 10, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
Fantastic Jan! No chance for combining your better FDE's with Shockwave lights? ..since they are a inherent part for many users that (sadly) will not be able to use your FDE's.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mosha on February 10, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Hi Folks :)
 
5 years ago, I found that it is nearly impossible to receive a good AI flight behaviour for all situations of flight simulation, today I'm more experienced, but circumstances haven't changed of course. For example, a B747 must be able to take off from a 7000ft runway, since this happens in real world at some airports. There are many examples for short and frequented runways worldwide. Additionally, many users prefer short braking distances to reduce go-arounds and increase the runway capacity. Every FDE set must consider this. Such base conditions mostly affect the behaviour in different flight situations, like take off speeds, which are mostly close to the upper level, and landing speeds at the lower level therefore. The AI engine does not know climb rate reductions during climb to cruise altitude, climb IAS speeds can be higher than in reality in lower airspace or reduce to unrealistic values the higher the aircraft climbs therefore.
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan

Years ago Ward Air used to fly 747-200s out of LBA down to BHX I Think. The rear wheels just touching the grass. Brakes on, full flaps, and full power. Drop the clutch release the brakes. Yes I know, aircraft don't have a clutch.  :stirpot: I don't think the runway was long enough in those days
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Ben on February 10, 2009, 03:06:30 PM
Fantastic Jan! No chance for combining your better FDE's with Shockwave lights? ..since they are a inherent part for many users that (sadly) will not be able to use your FDE's.

Hi Philippe,

I was able to get the shockwave lights working, I just didn't replace the [lights] section of the FDE. :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on February 10, 2009, 03:40:39 PM
Jan, many thanks for all your efforts. I was one of those people who preferred a little more runway use after touchdown and it sounds like the new files you're working on offer a better/perfect compromise. I also like the sound of "correct empty weights". I have a couple of airports now with 6500ft runways, but the empty weight of some AI models, oh my..

;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on February 10, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
I was able to get the shockwave lights working, I just didn't replace the [lights] section of the FDE. :)

oh thanks Ben, I will try this, too. Thanks for your message!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 10, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
Hi EDDK :)
 
You would need a calculator to implement Shockwave or whatever lights to my FDE sets. Relevant are the lights position and sometimes the 'reference_datum_position'. With the v5acofadv FDE's I'll improve the lights positions and types, too; studying images and aircraft technical drawings especially therefore.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: BruceN on February 11, 2009, 12:38:31 AM
As Ben says, using the existing [lights] section works for setting up the Shockwave lights. However, the smoke effects are much harder because as you say, the datum_position needs to be known, or lots of trial and error positioning.

What would be great is if a commented section was included with the new lights and smoke effect positions. Then the user could easily deactivate the original light section and activate the new lights and smoke section by changing the // comment markers. Would this be too much work to implement?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on February 11, 2009, 07:10:06 AM
I never had time to try these updated FDEs..  ::ashamed::

But I guess that I'll have to give them a try!

Thanks Jan!  ::party::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 11, 2009, 11:52:19 AM
Hi Folks :)
 
Why don't you Shockwave enthusiasts don't start an own thread for all your Shockwave code developments?!
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jordanal on February 11, 2009, 01:13:29 PM
Hi Jan, thanks for the FDE's and all your contributions over the years.   ::cheers::

I have a couple of questions about your FDE's before I start mass-edits to my AI.   :stirpot:

1.  Have these been tested in FSX in any way or should we expect the same peformance regardless of the FS version?
2.  Have the wing_span values already been set according to the AIG or Reggie Fields parking-specs for FSX?
3.  Are the config files a one-for-one swap with the exception of the fltsim.x entries?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 11, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
Hi jordanal :)
 
It's up to all FSX users to test the upcoming FDE sets in FSX. The correct wingspan values will be new, just some sort of courtesy for you. My previous developments did not have correct wing span values, I personally don't care about FSX. You must always replace both *.cfg and *.air file, additionally you have to replace the [fltsim.#] entries, of course.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on February 12, 2009, 01:42:01 PM
Jan, you wouldn't happen to have or know of a table/list with empty weights for "all" aircraft, would you? Since you're working on your FDE's some more, I won't install your current offerings yet, it's quite a bit of work, but I would like to get the empty weight right of smaller (regional) aircraft, so that they will land on a 6500ft runway for example. I'm interested in a table/list, because it would allow me to sort it and see immediately what would fall under the 74000/76000 rule. Airliners.net for example has great info, but not presented in a way that would help me.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: titleist7897 on February 19, 2009, 11:38:23 AM
Jan,
Thanks for the updates to these FDEs. It certainly is appreciated! One question I have is if a couple issues I have will be resolved with the new updates. The first is if the contact points for the CRJ-700s is fixed as the current FDEs cause the nose to be sunk into the ground. It also came to my attention that the lighting on the CRJ-700 and the Dash 8-100 were not positioned correctly. Once again thanks for creating more realistic AI flight and I look forward to your new updates!

Mike
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Klemen on February 24, 2009, 05:58:58 PM
Hi Jan, have you maybe made FDEs for AIM CRJ2?

Thanks!
Title: First Batch Of v5acofadv FDE Set's
Post by: Jan Martin on March 14, 2009, 09:09:29 AM
Hi Folks :)
 
Meanwhile I've developed 80 FDE v5acofadv sets, not many, but serving 86% of my textures. The AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html) shows the results; I've left the numbers of the previous FDE versions for comparision.
 

Though this is a real improvement - and it was worth it to spent 100's of hours to develop the base set's -, I'm a little bit unhappy about some problems I couldn't solve without messing up other flight phases :
 

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Regarding Touchdown Dust Effects
 
The touchdown dust effects use to wrap up the entire aircraft sometimes up to the tail top, furthermore it causes problems with dynamic gears at lift off from the runway at take off sometimes. Therefore all FDE v5acofadv sets come with deactivated touchdown dust effects. If you want them back, go to section Effects in the aircraft.cfg and change this code:
Quote
touchdown=fx_tchdwn_s, 1
to
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touchdown=fx_tchdwn, 1

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Btw: there is a mirror of my website (http://janswebsites.100free.com/flightsim/) - as all know who read my readme's ..
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on March 14, 2009, 09:15:50 AM
Hi Jan,

many thanks indeed, I will spent the day with trying out what you have done. I really look forward to the lengthed rollout and I hope everything is compatible with Shockwave Lights, in any way of doing  ;)

Thanks Jan for your great effort!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on March 14, 2009, 09:51:47 AM
Thanks so much Jan! Really looking forward to install!!!  :yeah: ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Klemen on March 14, 2009, 10:21:19 AM
Thanks Jan, must try this today!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 14, 2009, 11:02:38 AM
Great package Jan, includes all models I had to change the empty weight for to get them to use 6500ft runways. Although changing the empty weight did work, I did see different aircraft behavior as well, unusually high speeds for example. This will for sure be the better option! (Of course, I'll be replacing everything, not just those models.)

::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on March 14, 2009, 12:42:25 PM
Sounds good Jan. I'm going to install them tonight.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on March 14, 2009, 02:23:56 PM
Got 'em and Installed them! Thanks again Jan!  :welcome:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on March 14, 2009, 09:37:50 PM
I'm not satisfied until now. I've tested the FDE's for 1 1/2 hours and I saw some strange results. The DJC Jetstream 41 crashes after start, goes only up 700ft then straight down, the FMAI Bae 146-200 has a very weird approach. many wave-movements and touchdown far too early.  ::confused:: I will report some more results, i'm still testing right now.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 14, 2009, 10:09:19 PM
Hi EDDK :)
 
Sorry to read about that. Make sure, you change aircraft.cfg and *.air-file. Do you make use of any AI traffic manipulating programs for approach separation and the like? Do other models fly well?
 
Furthermore, it would be very helpful if you could say where you have seen unwished behaviour, ICAO, runway, and weather conditions.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on March 14, 2009, 10:15:01 PM
Hi jan,

ok I need to disable AI Separation. Didn't know, that it can have a bearing on the beaviour!
Will report after starting FS9 again
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Carted on March 14, 2009, 10:35:20 PM
FDEs are always a problem because the AI driver applies it to every situation. A 737 that can use Santos Dumont or Innsbruck looks unrealistic at a major hub with long runways or no nearby mountains. If only you could switch from one set to another at the click of a mouse but sadly it isn't that easy.

So I have stuck with the "big airport" FDEs if only because a longer landing roll takes the plane past more of the departing traffic taxying to the holding point. That reduces ground conflicts even it if increases time on the runway. Just don't watch jet traffic at airports with runways under 6500 feet.

Can highly recommend Jan's FSP MD11 FDE because the original was so bad I was thinking of ditching the plane altogether. All that flying around on the edge of stall with flaps extended. What was that about?




Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on March 14, 2009, 10:46:50 PM
yes I can confirm, I have some problems with the provided FDE's. Not with all, most working good, only some I could test within two hours facing some troubles. Also without using AI Separation. Another model I have troubles with is the TFS Dash 8. I was able to catch some pics, while watching her. She doesn't even start:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/wcir1s.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/34od4yg.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2e64lcp.jpg)

The airport is Birmingham EGBB with a length of 2600m and a width of 50m, the wheater was fine with no wind. Tomorrow I will look at another airport and report.

Air file: tfsdash8-400v5acofadv.air

Sim:

[fltsim.10]
title=TFS Dash 8-400 FlyBE
sim=tfsdash8-400v5acofadv
model=
texture=FlyBE
atc_airline=JERSEY
ui_manufacturer=FlyBe
ui_type=Dash 8-400
ui_variation=FlyBe
description=The Fruit Stand Dash 8-400
atc_parking_codes=BEE
atc_parking_types=RAMP
prop_anim_ratio=-0.2 //USE AND ADJUST THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 14, 2009, 11:55:03 PM
Hi EDDK :)
 
Cannot reconstruct your problem. I have no addon scenery and the TFS Dash take's off as it should from BHX. Please watch your Dash at any other airport once again .
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: davidfennell on March 15, 2009, 02:37:00 AM
Hey,

I'm having huge problems with the updated FDEs.. as you can see in the screenshot, the aircraft 1) taxi too far past their holding points and 2) taxi into each other. I did a test in Heathrow and about 20 aircraft taxied on top of each other! Also, the lights take very strange positions on some models (B744, A330 for example) but others are fine.

FYI, I do not use any third-party utilities except for Shockwave Lights, and this happens at every airport I've tried.

I'm off to do more testing :)

Dave.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2009, 08:07:31 AM
Wow, that is really strange bevahiour.. when I look at those 2 Airbuses I feel like I've drank too much.. :heehee:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 15, 2009, 09:48:20 AM
Hi davidfennell :)
 
Hold short's have nothing to do with FDE's, the aircraft radius does and the AFCAD, too. Situations of aircraft turn into another are a common AI engine issue, or coming from the timetable sometimes.
 
Edit: your problems with FS9 or FSX ?
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 15, 2009, 09:48:40 AM
@ all :)
 
If you use Shockwave's together with my FDE's, you do this on your own risk on the one hand, on the other you would only have to recalculate the positions for some model's with moved reference_datum_position (B747-Series / A380 / A340-Series / CRJ's / ERJ's / D328J), but this is not very complicated.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on March 15, 2009, 10:15:40 AM
--->David: Try to install AFCAD 2.21 (if you uses FS2004) and run the Aircraft Editor which is build-in the program. Then have a look at the Aircraft Radius and change the number if it different from the the radius' posted here: http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-model-radiusing.html
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Danny on March 15, 2009, 11:36:21 AM
Not sure why you guys replace TFS Dash FDE as the original one is very good.

From Jan's pack I installed and tested E170 and CRJ900 so far. One problem with them is insufficient braking power causing aircraft to overran other aircraft on taxiways. Also E170 could do with some extra pitch stability to prevent quite violent lift off.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: davidfennell on March 15, 2009, 12:28:07 PM
Hey :)

Thanks for your suggestions! My AI were working perfectly before I made the change - I've just checked and all my aircraft are perfectly radiused, I spent a day doing it a few weeks ago. I understand the shockwave lights issue, that's not really a problem as I can fix it easily enough.

The other issue is more annoying though.. I replaced both FDEs and aircraft.cfg settings however the problem is still there. The aircraft didn't crash into each other before and now they do, which leads me to the conclusion that maybe the contact points come into play for aircraft separation on the ground? I understand that there are "scrape" points in the contact points section.. could they be somehow leading an aircraft to think the aircraft in front of them is shorter than it is?

I can rule out an AFCAD and timetabling issue for two reasons.. 1) At the exact same airports there wasn't a problem before 2) this is happening at every airport.

Dave.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 15, 2009, 12:36:25 PM
Hi Danny :)
 
Quote
Not sure why you guys replace TFS Dash FDE as the original one is very good.
I've never seen any default FDE set that was 'very good'.
Quote
One problem with them is insufficient braking power causing aircraft to overran other aircraft on taxiways
I can confirm this at situations with less FPS and a seriously overloaded AI engine with just too much AI traffic. And it is clear that a too small radius for any too long aircraft can cause problems.
Quote
some extra pitch stability to prevent quite violent lift off.
More pitch stability = higher climb rates, just see AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html) ..
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on March 15, 2009, 12:37:30 PM
Thanks. Then I know there wasn't any problems with the Aer Lingus (I guess you are using "my" flightplans)..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: davidfennell on March 15, 2009, 12:41:33 PM
Hey guys,

A thought just struck me when I heard about insufficient braking power.. I've just checked and I had my taxi speed turned up to the "optimum" settings as suggested by AI Traffic Configurator. I've turned it down to the default and my AI are working perfectly :) The AI traffic just didn't have strong enough brakes to stop them at the holding point. I might try turn it up later and see how far I can get it without the problem reoccurring. Anyways, I'd advise everyone installing these FDEs to check their AI taxi speed!

Dave.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Danny on March 15, 2009, 01:07:41 PM
Hi Danny :)
 
Quote
Not sure why you guys replace TFS Dash FDE as the original one is very good.
I've never seen any default FDE set that was 'very good'.
Quote
One problem with them is insufficient braking power causing aircraft to overran other aircraft on taxiways
I can confirm this at situations with less FPS and a seriously overloaded AI engine with just too much AI traffic. And it is clear that a too small radius for any too long aircraft can cause problems.
Quote
some extra pitch stability to prevent quite violent lift off.
More pitch stability = higher climb rates, just see AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html) .
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan

So what's wrong with TFS Dash FDE in yur opinion?

The braking was not overloaded situation - it was Christmas Island test environment with 30 aircraft. Radius as per PAI matrix. This is easy fix though - increase braking and reduce thrust reverse to keep the same runaway distance.

For E170 pitch stability 1.3 gives nice lift off without adverse impact on other elements of flight.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 15, 2009, 02:42:56 PM
Hi davidfennell :)
 
Quote
the contact points
I've checked that of course, unfortunately they doesn't seem to affect AI taxiing separation in any way. Furthermore, increasing the values can make the models vanish suddenly, and other problems may occurr too due to the faulty FS crash detection.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 15, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
Hi Folks :)
 
Causes Of Improper Taxiing Separation:

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Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Carted on March 15, 2009, 10:54:39 PM
Seeing those images of the Dash 8 away from the airport, I really think that is an airport issue, not an FDE one. For reasons that maybe only Jim Vile can explain, some planes will "land" miles from the airport, then proceed all the way to the runway at runway height - either above or below ground level - and at speeds varying from taxying to touchdown. The point of touchdown can be anything up to 20nm from the airport. The reason I say it is airport related is that is doesn't inflict any particular plane or any particular FDE designer.

The only thing I have noticed that is consistent is the airport always has runways that are modified from the default  FS2004. The modifications are not necessarily of the same type. At KDEN it was activated crosswinds runways, at EPWA is was the removal of the first section of AI centreline (the black lines in AFCAD) so planes didn't cross the runway to reach the holding point. The only other thing of note was the planes that did it were pretty well lined up with the runway when they were generated so didn't have to manuevre to land.

Unrelated to this, I did see an really unusual approach to Dubai - an arriving A320  that needed to turn 180 degrees to line up with the runway. It made the turn from only a few miles out instead of the usual 20+. A very impressive descending right-hand turn that unfortunately overshot the runway. Undeterred, the A320 continued the right-hand turn and then, at very low level, made a left hand turn to reach the runway. It hadn't quite lined up properly when it touched down just past the piano keys and ran off the runway. Thought it might have been a rogue VFR flightplan but no, it was supposed to be an IFR arrival. Again, the runway it was aiming for was slightly modified from the default.

David


Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hornets Nest on March 15, 2009, 11:22:54 PM
I would agree with that analysis David.  I see this quite often as soon as I start modifying a default airport - in my case primarily for FSX rather than FS9.  Usually, however, in my observation this will affect the first few arriving aircraft after I have positioned myself at an airport - i.e. fall within the 15 minutes, or so, settling down time for the AI engine when all kinds of weird and wonderful things might be seen to happen, including the dive approaches.  Consequently, I have seen this primarily at relatively busy airports.

Having seen it quite a lot at airports surrounded by land - also seen at KDEN - I saw it also when I was developing the LEBL Barcelona Afcad, when I would see the first few aircraft bounce off the sea prior to landing on 07L.  It had me quite worried about the Afcad for some time..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 17, 2009, 08:42:06 AM
Hi Danny :)
 
Quote
So what's wrong with TFS Dash FDE in yur opinion?
Apart of errors in the lights section, FDE v5acofadv values in (brackets) or see my table (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html).
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: whicker on March 19, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
Seeing those images of the Dash 8 away from the airport, I really think that is an airport issue, not an FDE one. For reasons that maybe only Jim Vile can explain, some planes will "land" miles from the airport, then proceed all the way to the runway at runway height - either above or below ground level - and at speeds varying from taxing to touchdown. The point of touchdown can be anything up to 20NM from the airport. The reason I say it is airport related is that is doesn't inflict any particular plane or any particular FDE designer.

The only thing I have noticed that is consistent is the airport always has runways that are modified from the default FS2004. The modifications are not necessarily of the same type. At KDEN it was activated crosswinds runways, at EPWA is was the removal of the first section of AI centreline (the black lines in AFCAD) so planes didn't cross the runway to reach the holding point. The only other thing of note was the planes that did it were pretty well lined up with the runway when they were generated so didn't have to maneuver to land.


David

Most of what David says here can be explained and in some cases is a FDE issue and in some cases is not a FDE issue. I will be the first to tell you that I leave the FDE design work to guys like Jan. I also trust what they say about FDE design and would expect the same if I say something about the way the AI Engine controls the Plane.

Many Users that sit back and observe AI Planes landing are told to do so in clear weather by the FDE designer. This is not 100 percent true. There are many different situations based on the way the AI Engine drives the plane that must be tested. A really good set of FDE's will normally accomplish all of these situations. The FDE's are the end result of what we see visually. We watch a plane land and then said yep that works or nope that don't work.

Just as Jan has spent years developing FDE's I also have spent years developing the Crosswind Runway Technique that many today use. I then introduced all the curve approaches many of you see at airports like Kai Tak. I wrote every single IGS 13 Approach for all AI planes for every single Kai Tak airport that has been released in the past few years. That include both my FS9/FSX KT (Jim Vile), Tom Gibson's 1963 KT, 9Dragons KT and FlyTampa's FS9/FSX KT

If you have my FS9/FSX LOWI it also has curved approaches for both ends of runway 08/26. 
If you have FlyTampa's TNCM I wrote the curved approaches for TFFJ RWY 28 and a high approach over the hill to RWY 10 so certain AI Planes that have a good set of FDE's will fly to Rwy 10 properly.
A new Payware LOWI soon to be released for (FS9/FSX) by Gianni's World Design Team which again has all my curved approaches.
Many of my own Airports uploaded to AVSIM like PHNL (FS9) with curved approaches when landing to the west or KLAS (FS9) when landing to the East or EHAM (FSX) that all planes landing on RWY 24 fly the curved VORDME approach from the PAM VOR and the list goes on.

I have now introduced the multiple parallel runway departure and landing system so at airports like KATL for my FSX uses all 5 parallel runways for landing and takeoff simultaneously or if you purchase ImagineSim's KATL for FS9 it also uses my code that I placed in that Payware for all parallel runway operations.

I have asked FDE developers for 3 years now to set the Empty Weight of a AI Plane to manufacturer specs because I introduced the code FS9/FSX uses for weight restriction runway use. You can see that working at my FSX EHAM for runway 04/22 where only planes that have a EW of 74,000 lbs or less can use that runway for takeoff and landing even though B747's sit right next to Rwy 04/22 but are restricted as per ATC to use it and must use one of the other 5 runways that are active and in use.

Soon to be released is a all new FSX Singapore WSSS and WSAC (military Runway) which is the 3rd runway that is not part of Singapore but the runway is numbered as per the Singapore runways. This will introduce my all new AI Plane behavior that fly the STAR/Transition arrivals to both parallel runways. This means all AI Planes that are inbound for Sinapore will be vectored by ATC to the 100 Mile entrance point off the last part of the STAR arrivals that connect to the Transitions which then leads the AI plane to the IAF for the ILS approach. This sets up a string of pearls affect as in real world where all planes enter the active control airspace at the same place based on direction of flight inbound.     

I said all this because I am considered the unseen scenery designer by many that want airports to work properly and AI Planes to behave correctly when inbound to a runway. You the Pilot can takeoff and go anywhere you want and land in any corn field in the entire world of the FS database. ASK yourself why a AI Plane cannot land anywhere it wants like a corn field or pasture. Why, is it because of a FP and needs a airport? Noooooo!! It needs a runway texture. A FP does not end at a airport it ends at the START LOCATION of a runway so always place your start locations on a runway and not a taxiway please.

Embedded in every single runway texture regardless of the texture there is an invisible target point which is a WAYPOINT at the threshold, another invisible target point the AI Plane seeks when inbound close to the aiming bars and there is a invisible ending point of the runway. The FDE and the GLIDE PATH of the AI plane that is being controlled by the AI Engine have to work together so the plane looks good and behaves well on the approach to landing, the flair/touchdown on the target and the roll out before the ending runway target point. There is also a stipulation in FS9/FSX that a runway texture width must be wider then the widest Main Gear Foot Print Contact Points of the largest airplane that will use that runway. This is part of the ATC Engine code rule which also plays an important part in the FDE, AI Engine behavior code, ATC, Runway selection score, winds and weather (winds and weather are 2 seperate enforcement codes for AI Planes landing). 

In your 1st test for the AI Plane FDE and AI Engine control you select a stock airport that has a stock ILS Runway which will also have a ILS Approach code written in XML. It does not matter if weather is severe clear or zero visibility. Set the winds to 8 kts on the recip of the runway heading which gives you what FS terms light and variable. The AI plane is going to land the same exact way except at zero visibility you cannot see the AI Plane behavior but you get my point.

The ILS Transmitter on the ground and the ILS Approach is the highest selection approach score out of all 13 different approaches in FS9/FSX AI player.dll file. The ILS is the fundamental basic Approach and will always be the default XML Approach even if all 12 other approaches are for that same runway. By watching the AI Plane approach and land on a ILS approach runway will become your benchmark to evaluate further testing. The ILS approach code is written in XML and has very strict hardfloor settings, very strict turn to final 30 degrees offsets and very strict missed approach turns based on the true heading of the approach to a runway.

Because the ILS Approach code exist and written in XML, compiled to a bgl and then passed to the proper .dll for processing, this allows the AI Engine to control the approach descent profile Glide Path in a much more precise way helping to compensate for a AI plane that has poor FDE's written. The AI Engine on a ILS Approach can make even the worst FDE's look real good on the approach and flair to landing.

test 2,3,4, etc. next post

jVile
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: whicker on March 19, 2009, 10:57:19 AM
Now lets increase the demand for the FDE to fly the approach without some of the help of the AI Engine that sets the descent profile.

Our 2nd test should be done at a airport in clear weather that does not have a ILS for a runway. This could be the RWY 09 at TNCM (use the stock airport and not FlyTampa), or runway 09 at EHAM (again the stock airport)  or runway 27 at KSAN (stock airport and not the one I fixed for the AIG AFCAD / FlyTampa) or any airport and runway that will support the roll out of the AI Plane and DOES NOT have a stock or added ILS.

This test is very important and must be setup correctly in order to compare the AI plane behavior that you benchmarked using a test with a ILS. The AI Plane does not have help from a written XML code so the Glide Path descent profile is working with a hard coded approach that is located in a .dll file. This hard coded approach does not have all the strick behavior settings that a ILS XML written approach has and the AI Plane must rely more on the FDE's then on the AI Engine. The hard coded approach uses a standard world wide set descend altitude of 2000 ft AGL and distance code (rho) from the touchdown target point in the runway texture. There is no IF waypoint fix or a FAF final runway fix so the contact tower trigger to lock the runway so no plane can takeoff is also a backward code distance Rho (5 NM) from the Waypoint embedded into every runway threshold.

Things to look for that would not have shown with the ILS approach

1. When the AI Plane is turning to final the gear comes down and the sink rate of the AI Plane may drop the AI plane below the 2000 ft hardcode and the plane will land on the ground or water and taxi to the runway.

2. Any odd instability when on the approach such as porposing, wondering from side to side, changing of pitch up and down, the Glide Path (visual of the ATITUDE not ALTITUDE) looks the same that you saw on the ILS approach.

3. Missed Approaches at a high altitude over the runway because the AI plane cannot find the hardcoded floor of 2000 ft AGL.

4. Excessive flair prior to touch down or no flair and a hard landing.

For the 3rd test lets bring back in the AI Engine to help with the proper landing. For the 2nd test we just did and for the 3rd test I use TNCM RWY 09 or EHAM RWY 09 or KSAN RWY 27. These runways do not have a ILS Approach code but do have a Localizer or VORDME Approach. So if I did test 2 at TNCM rwy 09 I am now doing to do test 3 at that same airport. I know what the AI Plane looks like in clear weather at TNCM so I need to now set the weather at IMC conditions where visibility is less then 3 miles and cloud cover is 8/8 with stratus set to 200 ft AGL. Winds should always be 8 kts for ALL test.

It will be much harder to see a visual approach but I normally slew my C172 out away from the runway at about 2500 ft and then watch the AI plane make the approach and flair to a landing / roll out. If you were seeing issues in test 2 with planes such as a heavy B747, A340, MD11's etc. now the same AI Plane should have a better behavior ATITUDE since we are using a weather related type approach that is written in XML. If the AI Plane flys the TNCM 09 approach when weather is IMC  (test 3) with no problems and when weather was clear it could not fly the approach to runway 09 (test2 then you have FDE problems.

Test 4 will stress the FDE's even further to see how well they are engineered/written. I always use the same airport and same runway for this test. There are many airports and runways that test 4 can be performed on but you need a good benchmark again for this test and you need to test a few smaller type Jets and a few larger type jets like a B747.

Lets go to PHNL RWY 26L. Slew off the runway a small amount and turn around so you are at 290 degrees and looking back toward the city. Set weather to IMC as above (less the 3 M vis and 200 ft 8/8 stratus ceiling) with winds from the West at 8 kts. Create a few FP's that cause a AI Plane to approach PHNL from the south so ATC will vector the AI Plane to runway 26L.

We are going to stress the FDE's and force the AI plane to do a curved approach to runway 26L and make the AI plane fly almost entirely on its own FDE's. The Heading that the AI plane will fly the approach is per the following default FS9/FSX LDA curved approach.

<Approach
      type="LDA" <<<<<<========== curved approach and what ATC will tell the AI Plane Pilot (if they existed)
      runway="26" <<<<<<====== Runway that will be used and ATC will annoce this runway
      designator="LEFT" <<<<<<<====== RWY 26L and ATC will say cleared LDA 26L appr contact tower 
      suffix="0"
      gpsOverlay="FALSE"
      fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" <<<<======= the waypoint used is a T_W type
      fixRegion="PH"
      fixIdent="HEFTL" <<=== the FAF fix and when the AI plane crosses fix, the tower will say cleared to land and lock down RWY 26L
      altitude="1500.0F" <<<<<<<<======== ATC will instruct the AI plane to descend to the hardfloor prior to the FAF
      heading="315.026397705078" <<<<<<====== The approach will be on this heading coming into the mouth of the bay area.
      missedAltitude="3000.0F"> <<<===== If the AI plane goes missed ATC will have it turn left and climb to this altitude

The airplane will fly inbound on the 315 true heading per the approach at 1500 ft. It will start its descent at the FAF fix and when it gets almost inline with runway 26L will bank left and make a sharp left turn to heading 260 and land on runway 26L. If your AI plane that you are testing (test both small and large jets) cannot do this approach and land on the runway the FDE's are very poor. MS stock A321, B737 and B747 has no problem when used as a AI Plane flying this LDA approach so your AI planes should also be able to do it.

Next post, the most severe test for FDE's

jvile
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: whicker on March 19, 2009, 11:32:15 AM
The last test is the most severe

Go to PADU and set weather to IMC as we have been doing in some other test.

This test and approach is going to force any AI plane that is inbound to RWY 12/30 to do a circle to land on the runway end that the winds are favoring. Yes, FS9 and FSX have many exotic approaches like curved approaches and circle to land approaches. The AI Plane should fly over the runway about center way, circle and land based on the winds a 8 kts.

Do you realize that you have never seen these type of approaches because you are sitting around watching AI planes fly approaches in severe clear weather on a XML ILS which makes any AI Plane look good. We have to force by way of weather to see these FS9/FSX type approaches.

I been writing approach code type curved approaches the same as what is already in the stock approach database. What is different about my exotic AI plane approaches is AI Planes perform the approach in clear weather where as in FS9/FSX the exotic approaches must use IMC weather.

This approach is not for large airplanes but for AI Planes up to about the size of a CRJ or maybe a B737 but the FDE's must be as good as what MS uses for their planes.

jvile
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hornets Nest on March 19, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
Many thanks indeed, Jim, for another - as always - very insightful analysis of the topic...  More late night careful reading ahead..  ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 20, 2009, 09:50:57 AM
Hi Folks :)
 
I've made some tests at PHOG Kahului Maui HI, runway 23, which has no ILS and is only 5000ft long, the other runway 20 is 7000ft. Unfortunately the heavies did not select runway 20 for landing. But all aircraft touched down smoothly on the bars after a stable final approach, as they should.
 
Obviously the flap extract on descent before turning to ILS glide slope depends on the availability of an ILS. If there is no ILS, the flaps don't extract on descent. I've seen this also at YPAD Adelaide and at PHTO Hilo HI.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 22, 2009, 04:43:18 PM
Well, I've finally installed all of them. Took me while. Looks fine so far, although I still need to turn down taxi speeds. :(

I'm not sure if it's related to FDE's, but what causes the tail wagging of some aircraft when they enter the runway, just before they come to standstill and then take-off? Just now I saw it with a DJC A320.

By the way, do not forget to hide your AI from the aircraft selection menu again, Jan's air files are set to show up..

Edit: I've lowered taxi speeds to default values, according to FS9 Configurator, and still get undesirable behavior, see capture.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 22, 2009, 07:58:50 PM
I've lowered taxi speeds to default values, according to FS9 Configurator, and still get undesirable behavior, see capture.
see Reply #62 on: March 15, 2009
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: davidfennell on March 22, 2009, 09:50:55 PM
Well, I've finally installed all of them. Took me while. Looks fine so far, although I still need to turn down taxi speeds. :(

I'm not sure if it's related to FDE's, but what causes the tail wagging of some aircraft when they enter the runway, just before they come to standstill and then take-off? Just now I saw it with a DJC A320.

By the way, do not forget to hide your AI from the aircraft selection menu again, Jan's air files are set to show up..

Edit: I've lowered taxi speeds to default values, according to FS9 Configurator, and still get undesirable behavior, see capture.

Just a side note, I lowered taxi speeds to default values also and while the "taxi crash" problem was better in some circumstances, it was really bad in others. So I bit the bullet and reverted all the fdes back to the default.. no mean feat, didn't expect to be doing it twice!

Thanks Jan for your hard work, but they're just not working on my system. Hope others have a better experience though!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hornets Nest on March 22, 2009, 10:54:16 PM
It seems to me that a taxi crash such as shown by Mike..'s shot could have to do with a lot of things aside from newly installed FDE's..

I think Jim's posts illustrate the point that aircraft behaviour is governed by a great deal more than the FDE's alone - the AI Engine has an enormous part to play here - consequently, writing off Jan's FDE's on the basis of something that could perfectly well be an Afcad or another issue seems a little premature..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: DPC123 on March 22, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
It seems to me that a taxi crash such as shown by Mike..'s shot could have to do with a lot of things aside from newly installed FDE's..

I think Jim's posts illustrate the point that aircraft behaviour is governed by a great deal more than the FDE's alone - the AI Engine has an enormous part to play here - consequently, writing off Jan's FDE's on the basis of something that could perfectly well be an Afcad or another issue seems a little premature..

Just trying to size up all this information before I opt to take the plunge and update all my flight models. 

But I wonder.. If the taxi crash scenario was not present before Jan's updates but is showing up now, wouldn't that pretty much point to the new flight models as a likely cause? I understand that other factors play into it like the AI engine, but the AI engine hasn't changed -- only the flight models did.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: davidfennell on March 22, 2009, 11:34:31 PM
It seems to me that a taxi crash such as shown by Mike..'s shot could have to do with a lot of things aside from newly installed FDE's..

I think Jim's posts illustrate the point that aircraft behaviour is governed by a great deal more than the FDE's alone - the AI Engine has an enormous part to play here - consequently, writing off Jan's FDE's on the basis of something that could perfectly well be an Afcad or another issue seems a little premature..

Hey :)

You're quite right, I have changed them back before I know what exactly the cause of the problem is. However, I know that the problem was not there before I installed the FDEs, appeared afterwords, and everything's fine now I have reverted to the original FDEs.

Now, what I haven't done is a lot of research into why this was happening. It could well be that I have some setting in my FS which is incompatible with Jan's FDEs, and that's fine - the problem remains with me. Ultimately, however, it was easier to revert to the original FDEs than do that research :) That's why I said I hope others will have a different experience to me, I just want my AI working right now and don't want to do weeks of research to find out what's wrong. As I said, just a side note, not a recommendation.

Dave.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 23, 2009, 10:21:31 AM
I've lowered taxi speeds to default values, according to FS9 Configurator, and still get undesirable behavior, see capture.
see Reply #62 on: March 15, 2009

Causes Of Improper Taxiing Separation:

taxiing speed manipulation > No
simulation rate higher than 'Normal' > No
too small radius > No
overloaded AI engine > I would say possibly, but see below.

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It seems to me that a taxi crash such as shown by Mike..'s shot could have to do with a lot of things aside from newly installed FDE's..

I would agree, but I have never had this issue, ever. Not even with increased taxi speeds (values recommended by FS9 Configurator). What's the only thing that has changed? The FDE's. Perhaps something else is the real cause, such as an overloaded AI engine, but the capture wasn't even taken at a busy time, at KSFO. And my AI engine has been overloaded since years, so why would it result in problems now and never before?

Which brings us back to the FDE's. I have noticed that many if not all of Jan's files have a toe_brakes_scale of 0.01. Now, I'm no expert, but isn't that a bit of an odd and low value? Assuming it does indeed control braking (for user planes it does play a role), what would happen if I were to increase that value? I have a great batch find and replace program, I'm going to do a scan and see which files have this value and then I'm gonna test some higher values. High enough to make aircraft stop when they should but as close to the original value as possible not to end up with other unwanted behavior (shorter landing distance?!).

On a related note, I'm about to upload my final batch of Afcads, KSFO included for FlyTampa's scenery, perhaps someone else can see what happens there, take-off queue to 10L.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hornets Nest on March 23, 2009, 10:26:53 AM
Thanks and I fully understand.  However, since Jan warned that "improper taxiing separation" could result from changing taxi speed settings, did you check out how the FDE's performed before changing the taxi speeds back to default ?

Don't get me wrong, I have no axe to grind here.  I do not currently have Jan's FDE's installed - no time.  However, it might be helpful to people reading here to know..

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 23, 2009, 11:18:31 AM
See my earlier post: "I've lowered taxi speeds to default values, according to FS9 Configurator, and still get undesirable behavior, see capture.". So I've witnessed this both with increased taxi speeds and default taxi speeds. And now at other airports as well, it would seem that where aircraft get up to speed on straight taxiways and then need to stop for traffic, they don't appear to have any brakes and roll to a stop, somewhere halfway or completely in another aircraft. Following that logic, the behavior would be worse with higher taxi speeds, although I haven't been measuring that closely. So much to do, so little time.. ;)


Edit: I've installed 93 sets (some more than once obviously), that's almost all of them. 81 have a toe_brakes_scale of 0.01. 12 have 0.1. I'll start with changing every 0.01 to 0.1 and see if that makes a noticeable difference if any.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 23, 2009, 02:33:24 PM
First results are in and they are promising! Of 81 files I changed the toe_brakes_scale from 0.01 to 0.1. For a total of 93 files with 0.1, all of Jan's FDE's I have installed. Still with default taxi speeds, the problem is gone. See the attached capture, unchanged Afcad, same queue. There's a bigger gap in front of the Embraer 120, but it doesn't have a JM FDE yet, so more braking power (0.5 to be precise) or perhaps too much. The other gap can be explained by the angle in the taxiway.

As far as I can tell, arriving aircraft use the same runway exits as before, so this change hasn't affected other aircraft behavior drastically. (I will now increase my taxi speeds and see how that works out, maybe increase the scale a little more if necessary, to finally find a sweet spot.)

Could it be Jan, that all the values were supposed to be 0.1? Have you been able to witness this odd behavior? Is there difference between the uploaded files and the files you're using? Almost blasphemy, I know, but I was wondering. ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 23, 2009, 07:35:28 PM
Hi Folks :)
 
The 'toe_brakes_scale' is only 1 of 2 brake parameters, the other one is in the airfile. I set the value to 0.01 to get rid of the total stop effect. The braking phase ends with a total stop on the runway, and right after that the aircraft increases speed back to taxi speed. A value of 0.1 may bring back this effect in some cases, but wouldn't increase the brake distance noticeable, as far as I can say without specific testing.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 24, 2009, 08:25:50 AM
Thanks for the info Jan, and I hope you don't take offense at my tinkering. But I'm definitely going to stay away from the air files.

I did notice that the landing roll was slightly less smooth. After increasing taxi speeds to 25 and 36 (land/taxi), the issue appeared again, increasing the scale to 0.175 was just enough to make it go away again. Think I'll settle for a taxi speed of around 22. Need to figure out a scale to match. Just what the land/taxi speed was, I've never really understood. What happens when a landing aircraft hits that land/taxi speed? Would it better to keep both taxi speed values closer together?

Edit: this (http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtopic=231060&st=0&p=1474475&#entry1474475) seems a reasonable explanation of the land/taxi speed. But then I wouldn't use a high value for it, but a lower one and closer to the taxi speed. It would give a slightly longer roll and then a (hopefully) smooth transition to taxi speed. Maybe 22 for taxi and 25 for land/taxi. Must do some testing.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 24, 2009, 09:08:31 PM
Hi Mike :)
 
I probably can help you as long as you don't manipulate the AI engine. It's bad enough even without manipulation, and I have no experience with manipulating it and the possible results. And finally, there are so many other phases of flight, it's not just braking ..
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: djnattyd on March 26, 2009, 10:32:14 AM
Hi all, i was pointed in the direction of Jans' FDE and configs by Reggie Fields and so far i've installed them on all the AIA Boeings but i've found that the 747s are unable to fly the curved approach into Fly Tampas Kai Tak correctly. The IGS approach starts off perfect but ends with the planes landing on the grass to the left of the runway. I've had a look through this thread and seen the suggestion about trying them out with clear weather, which i've done but i'm still getting them landing off to the left of RWY 13. I've attached a screenshot to show how bad it is when there's clear weather (this is one of the better ones, some have landed on the taxiway!)

I'm running FSX and haven't got any traffic manipulation utilities such as AI Smooth installed so i'm at a loss as to why this is happening.

Cheers
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Denis on March 26, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
Just stumbled across that one post by Jan about the TFS DH8D and thought I'd add my two cents.

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tyres don't show compression
I think we put enough air into the tires to avoid flat ones, but if you refer to the landing gear not showing compression I am sure it did at one point during the development.

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take off speed 150kts (125kts)
Maybe 125kts is more realistic, but generally we tend to adjust our prop FDEs so that they fit in better with the heavies at busy airports

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take off distance 4000ft (2850ft)
according to wikipedia the takeoff distance at MTOW is 4600ft

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no flap extract on descent before final
that's normal behaviour IRL or to quote the real commercial airliner pilot amongst our ranks: "Go as fast as possible until you have to slow down"

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touchdown speed 115kts (100kts)
ok, might be a tad too fast, but for the same reason as the higher take off speed

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touchdown 1600ft behind threshold (on bars)
have you ever seen anything touch down earlier than that apart from lighter props?

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braking distance 3900ft (2600ft)
I wonder where you got your value of 2600ft from?

So generally I guess we can agree to disagree on some points (especially since we at TFS have been well known for overlooking some erros, sometimes, occassionally, everytime), but what I dislike is the way you make your statements. If you prefer to have your aircraft behaving differently, that's fine with me, but maybe you should also consider that there might be different ways as well which are not wrong per se.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 26, 2009, 10:20:40 PM
Hi djnattyd :)
 
In the aircraft.cfg, try lower value of
empty_weight_roll_MOI = 18000000
for example 16000000 or 14000000, but this might cause instabilities in other situations, for example taxiing or flying curves, just try it out. You can also lower the value of
empty_weight_yaw_MOI = 39531785
by similar steps.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: windchill on March 26, 2009, 10:37:29 PM
Adjusting values in the FDE without looking into the AIR file is not recommended.

Toe_Brake activity on landing is just one of several activities the FDE performs to slow the aircraft down. The amount of flap values and the amount of reverse thrust values also have to be taken into account.

Toe_Brake value can be anywhere between 0 and 1 - 0 is no brakes whatsoever, and 1 is a screeching pile of rubber and clouds on the middle of the runway.

All this is moot unless you - (A) know the value in the AIR file and (B) have common values across all FDE's in the FDE and AIR file to make sure you are seeing similar behaviour.

For example if you have two FDE's with the value of 0.01 for toe_brake, if the multipler in the AIR file is 10 on one aircraft (0.01 x10) and the multipler in the other AIR file is 30 (0.01 x 30) - the end result will always be different.

Tweaking each area of the FDE that effects AI behaviour (approx 30 attributes that can be altered), plus the tweaking in the AIR file (approx another 20 attributes) - you now know why FDE making is a horribly long and nightmarish task. One tweak of one attribute can directly impact 10 or 15 others.. ::sick::

If it was as easy as making a small value change here and there - we would all be experts..

Brian

Author of all those terrible EvAI FDE's !!!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ani4may on March 27, 2009, 02:41:42 AM
hello,
i just wish someone works on an add on for changing these settings without having to face the domino effect.
still a fantasy though .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 27, 2009, 07:01:42 AM
Hi Folks :)
 
I decided to update the FDE v5acofadv sets with 'toe_brakes_scale' value 0.1 instead of 0.01. It seems to be more important to avoid taxiway crashings than the obviously less likely total stop of particular models after the braking phase. Thanks for pointing that out and for testing at all. I've uploaded the updated package.
 
Freeware program MB-SearchAndReplace (http://www.markus-bader.de/MB-SearchAndReplace/) did the batch changes within a minute for me. Hope, it really did only the wished changes ..
 
Btw: Did anyone tried the FDE v5acofadv sets in FSX?
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: djnattyd on March 27, 2009, 07:19:12 AM
Btw: Did anyone tried the FDE v5acofadv sets in FSX?
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan

Hay Jan, Cheers for the tip on the MOI values

I'm using v5acofadv for my 747s in FSX at the moment, haven't had a chance to try out the changes you suggested but when i do, i'll let you know the result
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: djnattyd on March 28, 2009, 03:12:54 AM
Hi Jan, I tried the adjustments you recommended but my 747s are still unable to land on the runway. Is there anything else you can suggest short of changing them back to the original FDEs?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ani4may on March 28, 2009, 06:32:08 AM
Hi Jan, I tried the adjustments you recommended but my 747s are still unable to land on the runway. Is there anything else you can suggest short of changing them back to the original FDEs?

if the  landing is now a bit better then decrease the moment of inertia a bit further or decrease the empty weight a bit .
decrease in MOI helps rotational motion . decrease in empty weight helps increase the centripetal accl.      mv^2   
                                                                                                                                                  r

but still take jans advice it is safer .
luck b wth u
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: djnattyd on March 28, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
if the  landing is now a bit better then decrease the moment of inertia a bit further or decrease the empty weight a bit .
decrease in MOI helps rotational motion . decrease in empty weight helps increase the centripetal accl.      mv^2   
                                                                                                                                                  r

but still take jans advice it is safer .
luck b wth u

I had a look in the SDK but couldn't get my head around the MOI equation so i've set them up to use the default 747 FDE with a few minor tweeks so each engine type has the real static thrust. As far as i can tell, it's ony the 747s and the a340s that can't land at Kai Tak properly.

On a related topic, how do i increase the approach AOA on a plane? I've got a UI concorde that the AI is using and i want it to fly the nose high approach that Concorde did.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 28, 2009, 07:23:36 PM
Hi djnattyd :)
 
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On a related topic, how do i increase the approach AOA on a plane? I've got a UI concorde that the AI is using and i want it to fly the nose high approach that Concorde did.
See AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html), search for 'AoA'-entries. Your problem can be solved very likely in the AIR File Section Parameter 0401. The most other AoA affecting parameters are more secondary. To edit the AIR file, download program at the bottom of that page.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 28, 2009, 07:28:51 PM
Hi djnattyd & Folks :)
 
As all models, the 744 had to pass curved approach tests, but KaiTak is a very extreme one. I've installed Jim's files now - the curved approach is very good work -, and made some testing. It seems that only the following 4-engine heavies prefer to touch down on the grass between runway and taxiway:
 

For the affected models, please do not change the MOI's, change the following values:
 
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[Flight_Tuning]
aileron_effectiveness = 1.0 ---> 2.0
rudder_effectiveness = 1.0 ---> 2.0

And find out, if it works in FSX too. Speed in the curve should be 150 to 160kts. This change should not affect other phases of flight, contrary to MOI manipulations.
 
Thank you for testing and pointing that out. An updated package has been uploaded.
 
KaiTak is really thrilling, planes that collect clotheslines on final, and it reminds me on my Hongkong trip in February 1993 ..
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Klemen on April 03, 2009, 02:10:44 PM
Hi Jan.

I have one question regarding CRJ-200 (AIM model) as I checked it with MRAI board tool which shows speeds. It landed wtih 125 knots and stopped quite quickly. It did not flare, landed with quite big v/s. Just asking as I watch Adria's CRJ-200 landing in LJU and I know how it looks in RL.

Thanks for considering  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 03, 2009, 09:57:32 PM
Hi Klemen :)
 
Very nice place, LJLJ, surrounded by mountains. Some testing to rwy 31 or rwy 13 showed a distance of only 5 to 12nm for about 3500ft descent on final. The result is a higher descent rate on the virtual glide slope, and because of that, also bad landing behaviour can occur. However, I've seen most aircraft of different types coming in very well; it depends on the location at where the aircraft enters the glide slope, the more far away it is from the runway the better are approach and touchdown, 5nm is bad, 8nm or more is good. If it was the case, please don't complain about the first and second plane coming in after starting a situation.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Carted on April 03, 2009, 10:20:07 PM
Two observations on FDEs.
After months of watching AIA MD80s landing I suddenly ran into that known problem of the planes vanishing on landing. The problem first arose at Bogota/SKBO.

Then I noticed strange landing behaviour for the FMAI BAE146-300 at Bromma/ESSB. The plane would touch down at a very high angle of attack, enough to put the tail through the runway. While BAE146s are not as common as MD80s, I had not observed that before.

Odd, I thought. But I think I found an answer - both the MD80s and the BAE were landing on runways with more than 3 degrees of glideslope. In the case of the MD80, the steeper glideslope (3.3) exposed an inherent  weakness while the unusually steep 3.5 glide slope at Bromma was beyond the capacity of the FDE to handle properly. So I changed Bromma to 3.0. The steep approach is for noise reasons, not terrain, so my virtual airport neighbours will just have to put up planes coming over lower.

(Jan, I tried your BAE146 FDE but got a lot of bouncing and tyre scrapes and smoke while taxying)

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on April 18, 2009, 07:13:27 AM
Hi Jan,

I started to install your sets yesterday and after checking results in FS9 I'd like to thank you for your hard work, they really enhanced my sim. One question though, I remember I saw much more FDE sets at your site in the past (HTAI, DWAI, PAI..). Are they gone?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Klemen on April 18, 2009, 08:15:15 AM
Hi Klemen :)
 
Very nice place, LJLJ, surrounded by mountains. Some testing to rwy 31 or rwy 13 showed a distance of only 5 to 12nm for about 3500ft descent on final. The result is a higher descent rate on the virtual glide slope, and because of that, also bad landing behaviour can occur. However, I've seen most aircraft of different types coming in very well; it depends on the location at where the aircraft enters the glide slope, the more far away it is from the runway the better are approach and touchdown, 5nm is bad, 8nm or more is good. If it was the case, please don't complain about the first and second plane coming in after starting a situation.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan

Totally missed your post, thans for explaining Jan.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 18, 2009, 08:11:23 PM
Hi Dreamliner :)
 
Set's that are not included in FDE's For AI v5acofadv are in package FDE's For AI v5acof.

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on April 19, 2009, 03:37:00 AM
Thanks, I tried that but there's something broken.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on April 21, 2009, 06:43:07 AM
Thanks, I tried that but there's something broken.

Sorry for not beeing more specific, the download link is broken..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on April 21, 2009, 07:03:02 AM
try this link Ralf

http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/index.html

works for me
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on April 21, 2009, 07:43:41 AM
Thanks. The site does work, but when I try to download the file I get this one.
http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/downloads/fde-set-v5acof-aia.zip (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/downloads/fde-set-v5acof-aia.zip)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on April 21, 2009, 09:21:53 AM
But does not work for me when trying to download v5acof..  ::confused::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 21, 2009, 05:13:32 PM
Thanks. The site does work, but when I try to download the file I get this one.
http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/downloads/fde-set-v5acof-aia.zip (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/downloads/fde-set-v5acof-aia.zip)
refresh the page!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on April 21, 2009, 05:50:18 PM
Sorry, refreshing the page does not wrk for me. As soon as I start to download the package I get the error message. Both in IE nd a fresh Google Chrome install.  ::confused::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 22, 2009, 06:27:06 AM
Sorry, refreshing the page does not wrk for me. As soon as I start to download the package I get the error message. Both in IE nd a fresh Google Chrome install.  ::confused::
sorry, please refresh again, the link should work now, or try the mirror page (http://janswebsites.100free.com/flightsim/)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on April 22, 2009, 07:20:22 AM
Works, many thanks.  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on June 03, 2009, 03:36:58 PM
Jan, did you have a chance to look at the TFS Dash 8-300 yet?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jordanski on June 10, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
Have been using the new FDE's in FSX and have spotted only one problem. They have affected the jetway system for some aircraft including the 747's (AIA), A340-600 (TFS), A340-300(TFS), A340-200 (TFS) ,(A340-500 seems to be fine) and the A380 so that jetways no longer attach to the aircraft the right way. It seems the 4 engined aircraft are the only aircraft affected. The jetways attached to these aircraft fine before I changed over to these new FDE'S. Could be a part of the code like the geometry section is wrong slightly? Would someone mind looking into this?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vc-10 on June 10, 2009, 07:54:10 PM
It seems that Jan's moved the reference point. Do you use Shockwave lights, and, if so, are you having any problems with them?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jordanski on June 10, 2009, 08:41:44 PM
No I don't use Shockwave lights. Anything I can do to the jetway code to make it correspond to the altered reference point?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Sloeber on June 10, 2009, 09:01:18 PM
Check the difference in location of reference point, and change the [EXITS] accordingly..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jordanski on June 10, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
tried to alter "EXITS" section but have been unsuccessful. Can anyone supply the new code for the 747 Series, A340 Series and A380?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jordanski on June 11, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
Ok, I managed to get a "near enough" set of jetways codes from the altered reference points. These are as follows:

747 Series (AIA)

[exits]
number_of_exits = 2
exit.0 = 0.4, -43.20,  -9.0,  10.88,0
exit.1 = 0.4, -129.5,   8.0, -2.5, 1


A340-600 (TFS)

[exits]
number_of_exits = 2
exit.0 = 0.4,  -40.5,   -9.5,   7.0,  0
exit.1 = 0.4, -141.0,    9.0,  -4.5,  1


A340-300 (TFS)

[exits]
number_of_exits = 2
exit.0 = 0.4, -37.5, -9.5,  7.0,  0
exit.1 = 0.4, -125.5,  9.5, -5.0,  1


A340-200 (TFS)

[exits]
number_of_exits = 2
exit.0 = 0.4, -45.5, -9.5,  7.0,  0
exit.1 = 0.4, -117.5,  9.5, -5.0,  1

A380

[exits]
number_of_exits = 2
exit.0 = 0.4, -23.50, -12.50, 7.50, 0
exit.1 = 0.4, -8.50, 6.50, -5.50, 1

CRJ-200 (AIM)

[exits]
number_of_exits = 1
exit.0 = 0.4, -5.5, -4.5, 1.0, 0


All tested, all seem fine on FSX.

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: CMX579 on June 11, 2009, 07:14:09 PM
I use FSX and I have shockwave lights. I have Jan's FDE's applied on my AIA 737 v2's (just for starters) and I can't see any obvious problems.

What is the supposed problem with Jan's FDE's and shockwave lights?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Sloeber on June 11, 2009, 08:07:21 PM
The locations of everything (I think) are positioned from a certain reference point.. If this reference point is changed, you can imagine the other things being in the wrong place too..

Also, as Jordanski pointed out, this is only happening on the 4-engined aircraft..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: yuku on July 28, 2009, 08:32:38 AM
OK so I've taken the plunge too and started implementing Jan's FDE's too as well as checking/reconfiguring the Shockwave lights and Nick's AI smoke.
So far I've done all the AIA Boeing aircraft and there is something that just caught my eye yesterday while testing.

I'm using the MRAI Traffic View Board v.2.1 to view my AI-traffic and check if things look ok.
While my AI-plane I was following was taxiing to the runway I noticed that the aircraft had not deployed flaps (an AIA B744 in this case).
First I though this could be due to the fact that I used 4x time acceleration from the moment I went into the sim to reduce the time it would take to startup and taxi, however after trying again later without the timewarp and even with other aircraft like a 737NG still no flaps.

The other traffic I saw (TFS A333 and DJC A319 for instance) did have flaps deployed on taxi.

Is the flaps-setting something that get's broken by the new FDE's or is there another logical explanation for this behaviour?  ???
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on July 28, 2009, 09:02:20 AM
The AIA B744 DOESN'T HAVE XML coded flaps in the model.mdl file.

The others that you mentioned HAVE XML coded flaps.

 ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: yuku on July 28, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
but the B737-v2 series and B737NG's do they also not have XML-coded flaps?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on July 28, 2009, 09:47:40 AM
but the B737-v2 series and B737NG's do they also not have XML-coded flaps?

Yes, they have XML flaps.. :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on August 27, 2009, 08:52:07 AM
Hi Folks (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
I've put an update for the FDE v5acofadv's to the servers today, with 4 new set's for OSP ATR42-300/-400/-500 and TFS DASH8-300. The other updated sets come with a single change, the 'reference_datum_position' set to zero now, for users of FSX and Shockwave Light's. The AIA B744 must be divided into 2 separate set's for the AIA B744 (all passenger variants + SUD-cargo-version) and another for the AIA B744F (whole cargo-version with short upper deck).
 
Download FDE v5acofadv-set's here (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/) or here (http://janswebsites.100free.com/flightsim/), section Jan's FDE's.
 
There is now a thread for the german simmer's: FDE v5acof Advanced (http://forum.flightxpress.net/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=21734)
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on August 27, 2009, 10:23:06 AM
Thanks a lot, your FDE's are well worth to be installed. I have some minor problems on my system, the wheels of the AIA 737/738 are sinking a little bit in the ground, checked on many airports so I don't think it's an AFACD problem. Anybody else noticed this?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: tigerpaws on August 27, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
Any chance of an FDE for Marcel Kuhnt's Trislander, have asked a few times on here for a solution, but they are always off the ground and only 2/3 propellers running. Would appreciate the know how to change the contact points and get the 3rd propeller (top of tail) working

Cheers
Sam
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on August 28, 2009, 07:44:47 AM
Hi Dreamliner (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
the wheels of the AIA 737/738 are sinking a little bit in the ground
a small compression is normal, as in reality, how deep do they sink into the ground?
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on August 28, 2009, 07:53:26 AM
Hi tigerpaws (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
Would appreciate the know how to change the contact points

AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html) ---> CONFIG File Section ---> # 3 Vertical Position
 
Example:
Quote
[contact_points]
point.0=1,  -5.0,    0.00, -7.95, 1500, 0, 1.617, 25.0, 0.600, 2.5, 0.9, 5.0, 6.0, 0 ---> nose wheel
point.1=1,  -29.0, -12.99, -8.85, 3000, 1, 1.633,  0.0, 1.000, 2.5, 0.8, 6.0, 7.0, 2 ---> main wheel
point.2=1,  -29.0,  12.99, -8.85, 3000, 2, 1.633,  0.0, 1.000, 2.5, 0.8, 6.0, 7.0, 3 ---> main wheel

Usually a minus value, play around with it and give a little bit of compression for the tyres, save aircraft.cfg file and reload the flight (it is not necessary to restart FS every time you make changes to FDE set's, just save and reload the flight).
 
get the 3rd propeller (top of tail) working

Example of 4-engine DHC7:
Quote
[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=5 ---> 0=Piston 1=Jet 2=None 3=Helo-Turbine 4=Rocket 5=Turboprop
Engine.0=-28.4, -13.3, 2.7
Engine.1=-28.4, -23.3, 2.7
Engine.2=-28.4,  13.3, 2.7
Engine.3=-28.4,  23.3, 2.7
Example of 3-engine MD11:
Quote
[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=1 ---> 0=Piston 1=Jet 2=None 3=Helo-Turbine 4=Rocket 5=Turboprop
Engine.0 = -10.0, -27.5, -10.5
Engine.1 = -95.0,   0.0,  17.0 ---> tail engine position / position above reference point
Engine.2 = -10.0,  27.5, -10.5

static_cg_height ---> value should be same as nose wheel vertical contact point
static_pitch ---> value should be 0 for AI
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on August 28, 2009, 08:54:22 AM
Hi Dreamliner (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
the wheels of the AIA 737/738 are sinking a little bit in the ground
a small compression is normal, as in reality, how deep do they sink into the ground?
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan

Almost 30%, much more than the other AC's.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on August 29, 2009, 07:55:08 PM
Quote
static_cg_height ---> value should be same as nose wheel vertical contact point
static_pitch ---> value should be 0 for AI

Hmmm.. Apart from the AIA 737/738 as mentioned above, a couple of other aircraft are sinking as well. Most of the time they're taxiing okay, but their inactive state (difficult to reproduce consistently unfortunately) is noticeably lower and too low in some cases. For example, TFS A330. TFS A306. Dash 8-400.

I've tried to do some testing with the A306 by changing both values and it seemed to fix the sunken "inactive" state somewhat.

I've read many a topic about contact points, some real gems on the old AIA forums, and I've come to the conclusion that static cg height and pitch matter as well, so I'm a bit surprised at your comments concerning those values. No offense intended.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: M-Sauce on August 30, 2009, 07:13:25 AM
..and I've come to the conclusion that static cg height and pitch matter as well..

They most certainly matter.

I think it depends on wether the model has compressing struts. I've found compressing struts a bit more complicated when making proper contact points, but once you figure it out, it is not too bad. ACM is a definite plus when doing this, otherwise there is a lot more trial and error involved.

Jan, you might also want to check your Aardvark Fokker contact points. I noticed that your FDE keeps the struts extended at all times.

 ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on August 30, 2009, 08:28:50 AM
I have ACM, but it's still diffficult to get right. I think of the static cg height as the ground level and position everything relative to that, probably not a good idea and the end result is often just not right.

???

Particularly interesting was this post by David (http://forums.ai-aardvark.com/showpost.php?p=32743&postcount=4):

"The one part of fde's that seemed better in FS2002 are contact points. I never had much of a problem with contact points in 2002, just set them up in ACM and you were done. In FS2004 for some reason some AI planes seem prone to bouncing when FS starts up. A dormant AI plane may appear to be floating above the ground or slightly sunken. Only when it becomes "active" will it drop/rise to ground. There seems to be no logic connected with this, some planes are no problem at all, others consume hours of contact point tweaking trying to eliminate the dreaded bounce."

The float and bounce being caused by those two 'static' values. I wonder what the reasoning was to make those changes going from FS8 to FS9. And why MS decided to go with basically two systems to determine an aircraft's ground position, which is asking for trouble in my opinion.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Whisper201 on August 30, 2009, 05:17:45 PM


                          Thanx Jan.. the biggest change or what I have notice its that my Ai traffic is working much better than before. Also seen more traffic than

                    I did before or never showed up. Also Ai seperation and airsmooth are working much better than before. Thanks Jan big difference in my Sim.... :yeah:

                     I have enjoyed more now than before... :yeah:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on August 30, 2009, 07:08:17 PM
Hi Folks (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
Almost 30%, much more than the other AC's.
This is too much, of course. What you could do is to replace the entire FDE section in your aircraft.cfg with the code out of the original files provided with the download package - while FS is not running. It is not sufficient to check the contact points section only, the aircraft weight affects tyres, too. I did this procedure now with AIA 737 737W 738 738W F70 F100, everything was fine, and thus I've no idea at the moment from where or what your problems could come. Possible would be different model versions, altitude incorrectnesses in the airports.txt (which occur much too often btw), any AI traffic manipulating addons, .. dunno ..
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on August 30, 2009, 07:10:23 PM
Thanx Jan .. the biggest change or what I have notice its that my Ai traffic is working much better than before .. I have enjoyed more now than before ..
Nice to read, enjoy simming!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dreamliner on August 31, 2009, 08:28:29 AM
Hi Folks (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
Almost 30%, much more than the other AC's.
This is too much, of course. What you could do is to replace the entire FDE section in your aircraft.cfg with the code out of the original files provided with the download package - while FS is not running. It is not sufficient to check the contact points section only, the aircraft weight affects tyres, too. I did this procedure now with AIA 737 737W 738 738W F70 F100, everything was fine, and thus I've no idea at the moment from where or what your problems could come. Possible would be different model versions, altitude incorrectnesses in the airports.txt (which occur much too often btw), any AI traffic manipulating addons, . dunno .
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan

That's what I did, works great now, thanks.  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 01, 2009, 06:53:56 PM
Hi Folks (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
If it is of interest for you, I've finally updated the FDE set for my Project HSST (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/project-hsst.html),
all known bugs and flaws have been removed, and it is nearly a new aircraft to fly now.
 
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8196/projecthsstimage.jpg) (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/project-hsst.html)
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on September 01, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Great!!!  readytogo readytogo  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: zuki on September 03, 2009, 09:56:28 PM
Hi Jan today i've noticed some strange ai movings after install your new files. it's about the a319/320/321 and also the Bae Avro series. after starting take-off roll on the runway they lift noses at critical angle much more erlier than normal and in that "tail strike" position rolls few more meters then take-off not very far from the start position.I must say that i've pasted back the old contact points from original fde as well as to all 737 series and avros,cause noted this 737 ng sinking + unrealistic very high positioned nose wheels while taxing and standing at the gates (i mean on the real planes the tail section is a little bit high from the nose section i think)
well finaly i must thank u for all that work wich i think give a new life to my ai planes
so any ideas with those early take-offs?
any help well be very appreciated :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 04, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
so any ideas with those early take-offs?
sorry, no idea's . FSX or FS9? Did you install the FDE's properly?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: zuki on September 04, 2009, 08:54:06 PM
sorry, no idea's . FSX or FS9? Did you install the FDE's properly?


FS9. in fact i'm not sure i install them properly but doing this - i put new cfg and paste only fltsim.X section from original then change the name of the .air file as the original .air to avoid replacing all sim= sections in the cfg.is that a proper procedure? :-[

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: tigerpaws on September 04, 2009, 09:10:02 PM
Sounds right to me Zuki  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 05, 2009, 01:57:06 PM
change the name of the .air file
I did many changes to the airfiles, did you also change the airfile? readme.txt:

Please Change Config-Files AND Airfiles !
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: zuki on September 05, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
i change the name from djc320v5acofadv.air to DJC_A32X.air for example to match the sim= line in aicraft.cfg
is there any step that i'm mising?

also new problem i noticed today : if there're some planes waiting for take-off the others coming behind don't stop after the last one but runs through it and finaly there is bunch of 4 or 5 planes waiting at the same position. the first one is sitting on the hold short but doesn't get take-off clearance from atc and the whole bunch just sits there.. :-\ i've added some screenshots
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: kalas72 on September 06, 2009, 12:32:57 AM
You have use the air file that Jan made, so you gotta use djc320v5acofadv.air in all sim= lines.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on September 06, 2009, 08:46:55 AM
also new problem i noticed today : if there're some planes waiting for take-off the others coming behind don't stop after the last one but runs through it and finaly there is bunch of 4 or 5 planes waiting at the same position. the first one is sitting on the hold short but doesn't get take-off clearance from atc and the whole bunch just sits there.. :-\ i've added some screenshots

Hi Zuki!

That problem is caused, because Jan has changed the AI Aircrafts braking 'speed'. So they takes a long time to stop when they brakes..

In aircraft.cfg, there is this line:
[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale = 0.485 //Brake scalar

You can just check the old FDEs what default scale they have and change in the new ones! :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 06, 2009, 07:50:39 PM
You can just check the old FDEs what default scale they have and change in the new ones! :)
.. and thus create new problems ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 06, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
is there any step that i'm mising?
Take care with installing the FDE sets, do it properly, make sure you really have both the new aircraft.cfg code and the new airfile!
 
if there're some planes waiting for take-off the others coming behind don't stop after the last one but runs through it
This problem has been discussed before, and was solved with earlier updates!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: zuki on September 06, 2009, 09:40:49 PM
This problem has been discussed before, and was solved with earlier updates!

yes i read the discussion
i thought that the package from your website is the most up-to-date, i don't understand what are those "erlier updates" realy.. ???

and some more things spotted today - md-80 lands on its tail, 777 vacates runway on the first exit (i don't know where exactly landed) and 738W landing too high with deployed reversers ::surprise:: and smashed on the ground in the middle of the runway.. i think have to turn back default fdes obviously these doesn't work for me :-\
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDK on September 07, 2009, 06:41:46 AM
yeah zuki I had the same results, I guess you are testing with add on airports? Seems it has influence on the performance of those fde's
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: 33Sierra on September 12, 2009, 05:40:46 AM
Hi Folks :)
 
I decided to provide you with all information you need to design good FDE's for AI aircraft, just read the story to understand the basics and open the website links below:
 
When I started designing AFCADs in fall 2002, typical AI behaviour was taking off from the runway, climbing and landing in a very unrealistic way. Shortly after I joined PAI as an AFCAD designer, someone told me how to tweak that, and I simply started to do it. Later I became the official FDE designer for the PAI models.
 
In FS2002 it was easy and often necessary to move the point of touch down forward or backward, in FS2004 this is nearly impossible and mostly not necessary. It's only one example for the differences of flight behaviour between the FS versions. After the release of FS2004 I had to rework all FDE set's, and later I again sent them to my workshop for a quality improvement. The result were named v5acof FDE's.
 
5 years ago, I found that it is nearly impossible to receive a good AI flight behaviour for all situations of flight simulation, today I'm more experienced, but circumstances haven't changed of course. For example, a B747 must be able to take off from a 7000ft runway, since this happens in real world at some airports. There are many examples for short and frequented runways worldwide. Additionally, many users prefer short braking distances to reduce go-arounds and increase the runway capacity. Every FDE set must consider this. Such base conditions mostly affect the behaviour in different flight situations, like take off speeds, which are mostly close to the upper level, and landing speeds at the lower level therefore. The AI engine does not know climb rate reductions during climb to cruise altitude, climb IAS speeds can be higher than in reality in lower airspace or reduce to unrealistic values the higher the aircraft climbs therefore.
 
Though the situation is much better nowadays, since many AI model designer's have recognized the demand for good FDE's, we still can download models that show a really evil flight behaviour, don't have the tires sitting on the apron correctly or have misplaced lights for example.
 
Today I announce the final development stage v5acofadv FDE's. As you can see on page AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html), I have improved take off and landing speeds, also approach speeds and touchdown behaviour is better, and porpoising on final is removed if it occurred. The first 9 sets are for all 5 AIG models, RMAI's A380, and the EAI A319. Download them and 210 FDE sets for other models from section 'Jan's FDE's' of my Website (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/).
 
The AIG B752 and the EAI A319 are available also as AltiPlano derivatives now, marked with AP. Just use the same model files for AltiPlano derivatives, but in separate folders with an 'AP' suffix, select particular aircraft you want to be able to descent to runways in deep valleys, and climb to cruise altitude without flying through mountains after take off. You will need such AltiPlano derivaties definately for ZUNZ Linzhi Tibet (AIG B752 AP CCA Air China) and for VQPR Paro Bhutan (EAI A319 AP DRK DrukAir). These FDE sets allow higher VSI values at a cost of more unrealistic speeds and runway length's, but of course you'd have to change and recompile the flightplans.
 
If you want to try FDE tweaking on your own, choose an airport at sea level, set all scenery display sliders to minimum, set wind speed to minimum and use clear weather conditions, deactivate all other AI traffic, and make sure your test aircraft flies curves shortly after take off and before final. Thus you can see how your test aircraft flies in all possible flight situations. You can do most changes with a texteditor, but for changing the *.air files you'll need a program like AirEd (http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004util&DLID=89432).
 
Open page AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html), and you'll get a very useful table that shows everything you change in flight behaviour by changing one single of the 12 basic parameters in the 'aircraft.cfg' file. Also information on the other parameters is provided below.
 
An important note: I don't recommend to use my FDE set's - which made for AI purposes - for user aircraft, because the AI engine does not work like pilots! A lot of additional settings have to be tweaked, for steering, wheel damping, the inertias, center of gravity and more! Also, I generally don't recommend the use of other addons which affect AI, and there is a lot availabe; final approach separation, taxiing speed, and - as I've learned now - even lights addon's.
 
Btw: there is a mirror of my website (http://janswebsites.100free.com/flightsim/) - as all know who read my readme's .
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Hi Jan
I want to say a very big "thank you" for your FDE's.
I had so many problems with aircraft getting take off clearance and then just setting there, crashing on approach, etc.
No offense intended here to anyone, I changed over to your FDE's and I rarely see, if ever, a crashing approach.
When I do see bad behavior, I know its time to get out Jan's FDE's.
Thank you.
Roger Martin
USA
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: 33Sierra on September 12, 2009, 06:01:58 AM


In FS2002 it was easy and often necessary to move the point of touch down forward or backward, in FS2004 this is nearly impossible

It is actually possible and not difficult at all. Try changing flap settings, particularly flaps drag.

Additionally, many users prefer short braking distances to reduce go-arounds and increase the runway capacity. Every FDE set must consider this.

Some users do, others don't. I strongly disagree with the philisophy of Ai aircraft landing short and hard and exiting rwy via first taxiway. I want my AI to land as close as possible as aircraft in real life.

As you can see on page AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://de.geocities.com/janswebsites/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html),
Sorry to be a moaner but A318 rotation speed of 220kts?  ::surprise::

I don't agree here with you. We are not running real world airports. Therefor, it would seem that getting the aircraft off the runway as soon as possible would benefit everyone.
At large airports, the go arounds, or TOGAs', are bizzare even with taxi speed set to 17 knts. and having aircraft exit quickly.
So, from the aspect of realism, having planes coming to an airport that looks similar to the German Luftwaffe doing a 1944 bombing raid of London, that is not real looking.
We just put up with it.
Having aircraft meandering on the runway for realism is just not feasible in FS anything.
I wish AI separation would work better for realism.
It seems to be hit and miss.
I think if it started at correct separation, then landing and meandering on the runways would be more tolerable.
In my simulator, I cannot have meandering aircraft occupying my runways.
There is at any given time of day, what looks to be the Luftwaffe coming in behind a landing aircraft.
KATL is a good example. It looks hideous at times.
And the go arounds make you want to cry from some aircraft meandering along the runway.
And when an aircraft just flies off into the sunset off after getting instruction to go around,
I just really start to wonder.
You got to love this hobby to stick with it, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 12, 2009, 02:39:10 PM
Hi 33Sierra (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
First of all, thank you for your acknowledgement.
Quote
We are not running real world airports.
The more I do planespotting with my new FDE v5acofadv's the more I see how everything fit's together, realistic timetables, good AFCADs. My previous FDE versions just had too many flaws and the critics 1 year ago just were right.
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 21, 2009, 09:39:35 AM
Hi Folks (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
This morning I've updated the v5acofadv-FDE package with 1 new set for the brandnew AIG DC9-50, and an update for the AIG DC9-40 with corrected lights section. Get the package here (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/) ..
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on September 21, 2009, 10:43:18 AM
That was quick, thanks Jan!

:)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: kalas72 on September 21, 2009, 12:11:51 PM
Thanks Jan, that was fast  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on September 21, 2009, 10:17:12 PM
Thanks much, too! Some update, see date! But, please for A332/A333, because Gear drive not good taxiways!

Sebastian
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 28, 2009, 09:31:53 PM
Hi Folks (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4508/smileyflyerca5.gif)
 
Here comes the next bunch of v5acofadv FDE 's - it's all about GA traffic:
 
..
 
Download here (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/)
 
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1079/iconsmallyc8.gif) Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Ben on September 29, 2009, 06:41:20 AM
Thank you Jan for these!  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on September 29, 2009, 08:25:39 AM
Very nice.

I have a question though, for example "Bombardier Learjet 45 Model by Andrew Berry", the only Learjet 45 model I have (from the UGA packages) is by "JBSimulations". Is that the same modeler?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 29, 2009, 10:00:53 AM
I have a question though, for example "Bombardier Learjet 45 Model by Andrew Berry", the only Learjet 45 model I have (from the UGA packages) is by "JBSimulations". Is that the same modeler?
I've also taken the models and flightplans from UGA, but there might be different model versions. Just make an FDE backup, install the FDE v5acofadv's and look whether the lights positions and tyres are correct, thus you should be on the safe side .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Andy on September 29, 2009, 03:32:00 PM
If I remember back that far in the dusty old JBAI hangar.. they should be exactly the same.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: geoffco on October 29, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
..Here comes the next bunch of v5acofadv FDE 's - it's all about GA traffic..

Hi Jan,

Firstly, thanks very much for the massive improvement in AI takeoff and landing performance that you have provided with your adv FDE sets.

Perhaps I've missed something but each time I download you're FDE set, how can I tell which ones have been modified since the last time? I cannot seem to see a chronological order in any of the documents from the website and when I extract the zip file the 'modified. time and date is set as the time of unzipping..

Also, are you intending to make modifications to prevent the problem where AI planes run into each other when they stop on the taxiway? (Or is there some setting that I have changed that causes this)

Cheers,

Geoff
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on October 29, 2009, 04:08:21 PM
each time I download you're FDE set, how can I tell which ones have been modified since the last time?

If I provide an update to any already realeased v5acofadv FDE set, I usually announce it here.
 
Also, are you intending to make modifications to prevent the problem where AI planes run into each other when they stop on the taxiway? (Or is there some setting that I have changed that causes this)

If you have downloaded some sets already in March 2009 or earlier, please see this post (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg51337#msg51337), additional info here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg49922#msg49922)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: geoffco on November 02, 2009, 04:44:13 PM
Thanks for the reply.

each time I download you're FDE set, how can I tell which ones have been modified since the last time?

If I provide an update to any already realeased v5acofadv FDE set, I usually announce it here.

Ok, and actually I see that the newer entries in the zip were at the top when I opened it. I did wonder though whether you might consider tagging the date of modification to the header in each aircraft.cfg along where you put your name etc..

Also, are you intending to make modifications to prevent the problem where AI planes run into each other when they stop on the taxiway? (Or is there some setting that I have changed that causes this)

If you have downloaded some sets already in March 2009 or earlier, please see this post (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg51337#msg51337), additional info here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg49922#msg49922)

As for the planes crashing into each other, I have downloaded and installed these in September (so certainly after March 2009) but I am seeing the problem. I have not fiddled with the aircraft radii so they shouldn't be wrong. The taxispeed was set higher but I suspected this could be a problem and set it back to the default of 17kts and the problem remained - since this is on the taxiway I assumed that the landing rollout speed is irrelevant here. Finally, I suppose the AI engine could sometimes be somewhat overloaded but that's the 'fault' of AIG and others.. ::cheers::

Cheers,

Geoff
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on November 03, 2009, 11:27:37 PM
This issue continues to be one of two reservations I have about these updates, the other being contact points that are a bit off (AIA 737/738 for example). I've been trying to find a right balance between slightly increased taxi speeds and a slightly increased toe_brakes_scale value. I'm wondering, what are realistic taxi speeds? As in real world average taxi speeds? And just how effective are real world aircraft brakes during taxi?

Right now I find the default FS9 taxi speed and Jan's toe_brakes_scale of 0.1 too low. I want them to go slightly faster, but I also want them to stop when they need to, something that isn't even always the case with default taxi speeds. Despite the linked to known factors, many of us didn't see this taxi crash behavior until we installed these improved FDE sets, having used increased taxi speeds for years.

So I feel there's still room for improvement in this area.

Quote
I did wonder though whether you might consider tagging the date of modification to the header in each aircraft.cfg along where you put your name etc..

Sounds like a good idea to me. I've been through several of Jan's updates and have wondered each time about possible changes.


I'm currently installing the GA sets by the way, looking forward to seeing them in action.

;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on November 04, 2009, 11:14:05 AM
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I've also taken the models and flightplans from UGA, but there might be different model versions. Just make an FDE backup, install the FDE v5acofadv's and look whether the lights positions and tyres are correct, thus you should be on the safe side .

A similar question about the "Challenger 604 Model by Hrvoje Kovacevic". As far as I know, that is not the UGA model, it's an older model, released in late 2003 (http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=39625). The UGA model much later and it was made by Kelly Freeman. Will you also be releasing a set for the UGA Challenger 600?

::confused::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: KJFK on January 18, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
I guys,

I kind of have beein looking all over, but so far I was totally unsuccessfull with finding the [exit] entries for the FDE set. Can anybody give me a hind, where i should be looking for them? Thank you already in advance.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hornets Nest on January 19, 2010, 12:43:23 AM
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I kind of have beein looking all over, but so far I was totally unsuccessfull with finding the [exit] entries for the FDE set

Jan may correct me but I'd assume that the [exit] settings would be the same irrespective of other elements of the FDE's and you'll probably find what you want here http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=3515.0 (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=3515.0)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 19, 2010, 06:09:07 AM
i've downloaded your adv package, i have a question. there is 733 normal + logolight + winglets, but your file has only two. is the first one (non W marked) good for normal and logolight? same for 734 and 735

thanx
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: KJFK on January 19, 2010, 03:08:01 PM
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I kind of have beein looking all over, but so far I was totally unsuccessfull with finding the [exit] entries for the FDE set

Jan may correct me but I'd assume that the [exit] settings would be the same irrespective of other elements of the FDE's and you'll probably find what you want here http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=3515.0 (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=3515.0)

Thank you so much. It will be so much easier now.  :yeah:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 19, 2010, 07:05:19 PM
Hi vl1
 
The winglet FDE set is for the winglet model only, the normal FDE set can be used for model normal as well as model logolight.
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 19, 2010, 07:44:18 PM
Hi Folks
 
Shall I mention that I'm not on idle?! I have a lot of new v5acofadv FDE sets in the pipeline, including about a dozen for russians ..
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on January 19, 2010, 07:45:01 PM
Looking forward to them, Jan!  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 20, 2010, 06:24:52 AM
i noticed today, that some aircraft with your FDE taxi with flaps deployed AFTER landing. is it normal?

and second question: your adv archive has djc a319 and aig752 in double with the second having AP in the name. what is that for?

thanx!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on January 20, 2010, 10:05:11 AM
AP - AltiPlano. Especially good for airlines that flies to places with big mountains arond (like Druk Air to Paro - VQPR).
It bacically good 'cos the aircrafts that uses the AP air & aircraft files does very fast descends, so they don't passes through some mountains as it's unrealistic
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 20, 2010, 10:10:41 AM
understood! and what do u think about flaps?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on January 20, 2010, 10:12:54 AM
understood! and what do u think about flaps?

I don't know, but I do know that this have happened a lot of times for me too (but with standard FDE)
But I don't care so much about it, as it happens sometimes in real life too. And I think it will go back to normal work again, when the plane will depart.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 20, 2010, 03:01:06 PM
Hi vl1
 
i noticed today, that some aircraft with your FDE taxi with flaps deployed AFTER landing. is it normal?
Yes, some models do. I recently experienced this in real life and was wondering why they waste extra fuel?!
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bsaraiva on January 20, 2010, 05:42:53 PM
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Hi vl1
 
Quote from: vl1 on Today at 06:24:52 AM
i noticed today, that some aircraft with your FDE taxi with flaps deployed AFTER landing. is it normal?
Yes, some models do. I recently experienced this in real life and was wondering why they waste extra fuel?!
 
Regards Jan

Here you have the explanation for the Airbus
see attachment

Cheers
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 20, 2010, 06:57:18 PM
thanx mate, but we all knew that taxing for take-off u have flaps 5 and taxiing after landing u have flaps fully retracted. I think it would be very appreciated if Jan could update his FDEs!
Cheers
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bsaraiva on January 20, 2010, 07:05:51 PM
thats XML coded into the model

cheers
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 20, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
thats XML coded into the model
Yes, that's right, and often enough it causes me problems since nearly every modeler is doing his own thing.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on January 20, 2010, 09:33:46 PM
I've some questions for Jan: Witch airlines does you think it's best to use the AltiPlano FDEs with? Air China with the B757 & Druk Air with the A319? Are there some more airlines that should go with the AP?  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 21, 2010, 09:01:53 AM
Jan, in fact, when i was talking about flaps 5 after landing, i was talking about AIG CRJ9. I have seen in it at Aerosoft Barajs, and the CRJ which except for flaps has an additional problem. See screen:

(http://users.iptelecom.net.ua/~dibrov/crj.jpg)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on January 21, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
That's not unique to that model. Some others I remember being affected, variations of the Dash 8, B737, A330, A300. And it has been mentioned several times in this thread already. I should know.. :heehee:

It's due to the contact points and standardized static pitch and static cg height values. Clearly that approach is not working out for some models. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be a priority for Jan to get it sorted out. Not that it is an easy thing to do, but a shot like that is an eyesore.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 21, 2010, 11:56:43 AM
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be a priority for Jan to get it sorted out. Not that it is an easy thing to do.

And if we ask Jan to fix it, say with his next release and we ALL say PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! ))))
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 21, 2010, 05:52:22 PM
And if we ask Jan to fix it
I'm only able to fix problems I was able to generate. What you can do is to find out whether you can see the tyres sinking into the apron at other smaller airports with default sceneries at high FPS. From my experience, also switching from one plane to another can cause such sinkings and other display errors, especially at '4Ã? Speed', as your image shows.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 21, 2010, 06:32:14 PM
I've some questions for Jan: Witch airlines does you think it's best to use the AltiPlano FDEs with? Air China with the B757 & Druk Air with the A319? Are there some more airlines that should go with the AP?  :)
Possibly some airlines in Nepal for example. But AP variants should be used only if unavoidable, and of course only for flightplan legs with the corresponding airports.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on January 21, 2010, 06:33:27 PM
Okay, thanks for you response Jan  ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on January 21, 2010, 11:24:57 PM
I'm only able to fix problems I was able to generate. What you can do is to find out whether you can see the tyres sinking into the apron at other smaller airports with default sceneries at high FPS. From my experience, also switching from one plane to another can cause such sinkings and other display errors, especially at '4Ã? Speed', as your image shows.

It's happening to select models and always the same models. You are using a standardized value for static pitch. It is always 0. While certain aircraft just aren't perfectly horizontal. You are also using a standardized value for static cg height. It is always the positive of the fourth value of the first contact point. If that nose gear contact point is off, the static cg height suffers as well. Add to that the pitch issue and it's easy to get problems. For example, the sim uses both values to position AI at startup (for their "inactive state" at a parking spot), why is it, that when one either restores the original FDE or improves the static pitch/cg height values, the aircraft's position in relation to the ground level changes? Same goes for the contact points. With your values, the issue's there, with improved values, it's gone. All other factors remain the same.

Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate your FDE sets enormously and if you'd rather concentrate on additional sets, then that's fine, but I don't get why you keep insisting that there are other factors to blame for this behavior and not your own values which are off on occasion.

I've attached a capture of the TFS A306 at KMEM, default scenery, not all that busy, frame rate locked at 30. Notice the wheels of my user aircraft, default Cessna, notice the wheels of the aircraft to the left of the A306. Then look at the A306. Why would the sim decide to sink that aircraft noticeably into the ground?

What can we do to convince you that there really is a contact point or static pitch/cg height issue with some models when they are using your FDE sets?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 22, 2010, 01:11:49 AM
i concur, and as far as i noticed - its AIG CRJ9, TFS A332 and AIAMD8X
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 22, 2010, 01:16:29 PM
Hi Mike
 
You are using a standardized value for static pitch. It is always 0. While certain aircraft just aren't perfectly horizontal. You are also using a standardized value for static cg height. It is always the positive of the fourth value of the first contact point. If that nose gear contact point is off, the static cg height suffers as well.
Do you know why I use these standardized values?
 
What can we do to convince you that there really is a contact point or static pitch/cg height issue with some models when they are using your FDE sets?
As the method's that can cause the tyres sinking into the ground I've already mentionend - switching from plane to plane / 4Ã?Speed simulation rate - implicate, I experienced this too, but only occasionally, not generally. You complain about something that I've also have to live with. Sorry for not saying this clearer yesterday.
 
The AI engine is really bad, and I'm trying to make the best of it, perfection is simply impossible, the maximum is only some sort of 'most realistic'.
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on January 22, 2010, 05:17:04 PM
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Do you know why I use these standardized values?

To keep your sanity?

::evilgrin::

Honestly, I have no idea. Perhaps the static pitch value has some effect on the attitude at cruise level? Perhaps with 0 AI has a better chance at staying at a certain flight level?

::confused::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 22, 2010, 09:13:33 PM
Hi Mike
 
I use these standardized values since they avoid the hovering over ground effect while parking or in slew mode. On the other hand, it also avoids that aircraft vanish with their gear struts completely into the ground sometimes. The pitch is controlled by the height difference of nose and main gear on the ground and by several others in the air, more info here: AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html)
 
Regards Jan
Title: Get Proper FDE Set's - Update Pack & Patches February 2010
Post by: Jan Martin on January 27, 2010, 10:23:04 AM
Hi Folks
 
Here comes the next bunch of v5acofadv FDE 's:
 
..
 
Some critical patches are also included:
 
..
 
All small general aviation and regional aircraft are now able to operate on airfields with runway lengths of around only 2000ft, like TFFJ St.Barts / Saint Barthélemy where they all had to pass a curved approach test. Please see AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html) for specs.
 
FDE set Download here (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/flightsim/) or here (http://janswebsites.100free.com/flightsim/)
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on January 27, 2010, 03:57:38 PM
Thanks for this new batch and updates from the future!

:P

Great models in there. Also love the version history!

::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: geoffco on January 27, 2010, 04:04:51 PM
Great stuff. One quick question, what is this TCAI IL-62M model and where do I get it? I only know the SKJ ones..

Cheers,
Geoff
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hornets Nest on January 27, 2010, 04:09:43 PM
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One quick question, what is this TCAI IL-62M model and where do I get it? I only know the SKJ ones..

 :oops:  Jan, that wasn't part of the deal..  ;D   ::jerry::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: geoffco on January 27, 2010, 04:47:04 PM
 ::confused:: Stranger and stranger this becomes! I think you're going to have to tell now.. :stirpot:

Geoff
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on January 27, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
A question about the CIS An-24, is that for the v2 model? And what about the An-26?

Can the HTAI 1900D set be used for the 1900C as well?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 27, 2010, 06:04:47 PM
A question about the CIS An-24, is that for the v2 model?
Was done for v2, not tested for v1
Can the HTAI 1900D set be used for the 1900C as well?
Was done for 1900D, not tested for 1900C
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 28, 2010, 09:33:10 AM
I have seen today at LAX United CRJ2 with your FDE take off by the second txiway from the 25R. Afcad shows 861 meter. Is that normal for CRJ2????
Title: Wheels & Lights Edit Chart
Post by: Jan Martin on January 28, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
Hi Folks
 
Most v5acofadv FDE sets may be used for the same models from other designers, too (in some cases there may be problems with the flap settings during approach). For example: If you have an IL-62 from any modeler, but there is a v5acofadv FDE set specifically for the TCAI IL-62 only, you can take this v5acofadv FDE set and change some wheel contact points and lights settings, if necessary. The attached Wheels & Lights Edit Chart is a small help guide just for orientation:
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maestro69 on January 30, 2010, 11:09:01 AM
Downloaded this package and i will be updating the AI files, so thanks jan for all your hard work and effort in doing so..   :)

just wanted to make sure of something. For example the files for the Aardvark B747s, are they for all the different engine models ?? i only ask because i was checking the aircraft.cfg file and they came with certain info in regards to the models and stuff. Just wanna make sure before i make any mistakes..   ::confused::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on January 30, 2010, 12:30:13 PM
Also, the MAIW C-130, can these new FDEs fit with all C-130 models from HTAI (even the L100-20 & 30)?

Thanks for your hard work Jan!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 30, 2010, 12:49:44 PM
Downloaded this package and i will be updating the AI files, so thanks jan for all your hard work and effort in doing so..   :)

just wanted to make sure of something. For example the files for the Aardvark B747s, are they for all the different engine models ?? i only ask because i was checking the aircraft.cfg file and they came with certain info in regards to the models and stuff. Just wanna make sure before i make any mistakes..   ::confused::

all the 747-400 are the same. including frighter. so you have FOUR models with the same air file and same contents of te aircraft.cfg except for fltsim repaint section. the only difference between them is the visual bgl model. in the pax version you get the same frame but three different engines, and in the freighter version you have a freighter frame and same engines. but the behaviour, contact points and other stuff is all the same.

why did i right so much text ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vl1 on January 30, 2010, 08:59:03 PM
and this is DC-95 from AIA with your FDE, Jan. On the background you can see the MD8X which are perfectly fine.
But please don't tell us it's the add-on scenery or weather messing up with contact points

(http://users.iptelecom.net.ua/~dibrov/ae1.jpg)
(http://users.iptelecom.net.ua/~dibrov/ae2.jpg)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maestro69 on January 30, 2010, 09:36:37 PM
Downloaded this package and i will be updating the AI files, so thanks jan for all your hard work and effort in doing so..   :)

just wanted to make sure of something. For example the files for the Aardvark B747s, are they for all the different engine models ?? i only ask because i was checking the aircraft.cfg file and they came with certain info in regards to the models and stuff. Just wanna make sure before i make any mistakes..   ::confused::

all the 747-400 are the same. including frighter. so you have FOUR models with the same air file and same contents of te aircraft.cfg except for fltsim repaint section. the only difference between them is the visual bgl model. in the pax version you get the same frame but three different engines, and in the freighter version you have a freighter frame and same engines. but the behaviour, contact points and other stuff is all the same.

why did i right so much text ??? ??? ???

Thanks for the explanation..  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 31, 2010, 09:34:02 AM
Hi Folks
 
Thank you for training my patience and contenance  :reaction:
 
I have seen today at LAX United CRJ2 with your FDE take off by the second txiway from the 25R. Afcad shows 861 meter. Is that normal for CRJ2?
Please come to EDDH Hamburg and watch them taking off for a short haul from the observation deck.
 
MAIW C-130, can these new FDEs fit with all C-130 models from HTAI (even the L100-20 & 30)?
Please compare the aircraft by yourself and wonder whether the same light settings would work for different aircraft.
 
all the 747-400 are the same. including frighter. so you have FOUR models with the same air file and same contents of te aircraft.cfg except for fltsim repaint section.
The 4 different jumbo versions don't have the same FDE sets, they cannot due to different wingspans, upper deck lengths etc. You really should know that. Please don't give wrong recommendations.

and this is DC-95 from AIA with your FDE, Jan. On the background you can see the MD8X which are perfectly fine.
But please don't tell us it's the add-on scenery or weather messing up with contact points
I don't need, you've stepped into your own trap, again: Simulation Rate Ã? 4
 
I'm still waiting for someone posting an image that shows 2 planes with the same model file, the same airfile, the same aircraft.cfg file, even of the same airline, with the same paint, and the same registration number next to the tail door; one sitting ferfectly on the ground, the other one next to it hovering 3ft above the ground. And it would be so easy to get such an image - no, I don't speak of a fake -, at hubs like San Francisco, Chicago, Munich, Bangkok ..  :D
 
Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 31, 2010, 09:34:28 AM
Hi Maestro69
 
For example the files for the Aardvark B747s, are they for all the different engine models?
If I don't provide different FDE sets, you can use the one set for all engine variations, but don't use the FDE set from the B747-400 for the B747-400 Freighter version, for example. The B747-400 Freighter has the shortened upper deck from the B747-100/-200. However, the behaviour may vary a very little bit in some cases of different engine variations.
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maestro69 on January 31, 2010, 09:51:36 AM
Hi Maestro69
 
For example the files for the Aardvark B747s, are they for all the different engine models?
If I don't provide different FDE sets, you can use the one set for all engine variations, but don't use the FDE set from the B747-400 for the B747-400 Freighter version, for example. The B747-400 Freighter has the shortened upper deck from the B747-100/-200. However, the behaviour may vary a very little bit in some cases of different engine variations.
 
Regards Jan

Well, thanks cool. I could imagine some little difference between each engine, but just wanted to make sure thats the way it was. I was not going to be putting for example the fde ser for the -400 in the -200 file.

But yea, so far, nice improvements from what i say in FS9 @ DXB :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 31, 2010, 09:58:47 AM
But yea, so far, nice improvements from what i say in FS9 @ DXB :)
Yes, meanwhile I have all my AI traffic converted to v5acofadv FDE's, and the improvement in approaching aircraft is significantly. Dubai should be a very good example, there is few prop traffic mixing with faster approaching jets.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: vc-10 on January 31, 2010, 08:14:41 PM
Surely there's no need for any differences with the various -400 PAX models? The only difference is the engines, and I don't see why a PW model need perform any differently from a GE or RR one. And with the -400Fs it's only a light placement change isn't it? For the beacon on the top?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on April 16, 2010, 12:33:33 AM
Not to dig up an old thread, but I finally got around to installing the adv FDEs.   I have so many MAIW H-130s that it took quite a while.   Anyway, there are a few items missing that I have to ask about.
First, the AIM ERJ145XR.   Is is proper to use the same FDE as the 145ER/LR?
Second, the HTAI B-1900C.  Use the B-1900D?
And thirdly, what about the AIM DC10-10 and B744D?

I realize that there are many small aircraft that Jan hasn't/won't get to.  Just asking for some advice?
Thanks

Steve Lewis
KOMA
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 16, 2010, 08:22:05 AM
AIM ERJ145XR.   Is is proper to use the same FDE as the 145ER/LR?
Difference is winglets, just try it out and look at the position lights
 
HTAI B-1900C.  Use the B-1900D?
Different wingspans, therefore not applicable
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on April 16, 2010, 12:38:41 PM
Thanks, Jan.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maximilian on July 08, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
Hey guys,

I've got a question. Is it possible to rename the .AIR files to their old names, or do they need these new names with the ..v5acofadv.air to work with the textures/models ets?

 :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on July 08, 2010, 06:46:54 PM
I think it's possible.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ladannen on July 09, 2010, 02:43:46 AM
The .air files can be renamed to whatever you want, as long as the sim= line in the aircraft.cfg file matches.
I only have 4 .air files in my sim: prop.air, regional.air jet.air, and heavy.air.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on November 09, 2010, 04:54:25 PM
Jan, I think I've stumbled upon something here. Although perhaps again, as I have a sense of déjà vu/typed. ;-D

As you may or may not remember, I have been rather passionate about the contacts points/various static values of certain aircraft. For example, the AIA 737-700 Winglets. Ever since I started using your FDE's, that aircraft sits a little below the surface. Today I noticed it once more, but today was different. I saw in the take-off queue at EDDM one Air Berlin B737W taxiing along slightly below surface and one Private BBJ1W taxiing along fine.. I found that very odd, because both are same AIA model. Well, as it turned out, not so.

My commercial traffic AIA model for the 737-700W is the latest model, the Super Duper Upgrade (http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=114265) model.

The Private BBJ is using the models that came with the Ultimate GA BBJ package and those are the initial versions of the NG series.

On my setup, both aircraft use the correct FDE as per your package (AIA 737W and AI BBJ B737W respectively). I checked the contact point sections, they are identical. So I can only assume there's something about the model files that's different, the model center point, I can't remember exactly, that makes the values work for the original model, but not for the Super Duper Upgrade.

I was wondering what model you used to make both sets and if you get the same difference as I do. The key to fix this particular aircraft may just be a question of making sure everyone is using the correct model.

;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on November 09, 2010, 06:36:36 PM
Mike, it's very unlikely that my FDE sets for the 737NG do also work for the Super Duper Upgrade models, due to the compression gear. There is also a huge difference in file sizes that may affect flight behaviour. Thx for pointing me to the upgrade models, or not too, because that means an increase on my to do sheet ;)

PS: The effect may also occur if you have changed the weight of the aircraft
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on November 09, 2010, 08:20:56 PM
I did check the weight before, they were the same for the AI BBJ and AIA. And I've made no changes.

To be honest, I would have to check the super duper pack to see which precise changes were made to the models. I was thinking take-off flaps and that sort of thing. But I can imagine how compressing gears could have an impact.

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting find. Didn't mean to increase your workload though.

;D
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: cattz on November 12, 2010, 08:16:33 PM
Looking for contact points for Viktor Schacht's LET410 please.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Ghiom on November 12, 2010, 08:52:58 PM
Has someone posted the [lights] section that go with the Fsx Shockwave lights?
Thanks
Ghion
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on November 13, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
Looking for contact points for Viktor Schacht's LET410 please.

Code: [Select]
[contact_points]
point.0=1,   14.0,   0.00, -8.70, 1500, 0, 0.600, 60.0, 0.500, 2.1, 0.9, 5.0, 6.0, 0, 100, 250
point.1=1,  -9.0,  -6.10, -7.70, 3000, 1, 0.600,  0.0, 0.850, 2.5, 0.8, 6.0, 7.0, 2, 100, 250
point.2=1,  -9.0,   6.10, -7.70, 3000, 2, 0.600,  0.0, 0.850, 2.5, 0.8, 6.0, 7.0, 3, 100, 250

point.3=2.000, -4.333, -30.000, 0.083, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 5.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.4=2.000, -4.333, 30.000, 0.083, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.5=2.000, -22.417, 0.000, -3.000, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.6=2.000, 26.250, 0.000, -2.583, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 4.000, 0.000, 0.000

static_pitch=-1.379
static_cg_height=6.583
gear_system_type=0
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: cattz on November 13, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Many thanks Mike. I hope that will cure the 'dragging a***' on the taxiway.  :)

Looking for contact points for Viktor Schacht's LET410 please.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on November 13, 2010, 03:24:43 PM
FYI, those are the contact points that came with the thing. I'm not sure if I have encountered it in the sim, so I can't say if they are any good.

Edit: Seem to work. I've seen it before after all. Shot at LHBP.

(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6263/capture002z.jpg)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: cattz on November 13, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
Works for me, Mike. Both in FS9 and FSX. Don't know where I got mine from but they were completely different ??? Thanks again.  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on November 13, 2010, 05:55:27 PM
You're welcome.

;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ReggieF on November 13, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
The original L-410 FDE work okay for a flyable aircraft with fuel weight forward of the COG. But for AI with no fuel weight - the plan drags the rear on the ground.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: cattz on November 14, 2010, 09:23:26 AM
That would account for it then. I must have had the original. Thanks Reggie.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on November 25, 2010, 09:52:42 PM
Hello Jane,
Good yours FDE! But, i search *.air and aircraft.cfg for SKJ Antonov AN-12 (4x props)? Why, i see over airport, Approach AN-12 was very bad, fly up and down, up, down... It is model from SKJ!

Sebastian
Title: New FDE Set's & Updates
Post by: Jan Martin on December 06, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
Hi Folks
 
The current package includes new sets for:

There are also updates for CIS AN-24 and TFS DASH8-400 with Reference Datum Position set to 0.0 now.
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on December 08, 2010, 07:39:07 PM
A very welcome update Jan, the addition of the Super Dupers makes my day. See below a couple of comparison shots.

Super Duper models with your regular FDE
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3978/capture002h.th.jpg) (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/capture002h.jpg/)
Super Duper models with the Super Duper FDE
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6244/capture003z.th.jpg) (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/capture003z.jpg/)
Much better! These are close up shots, but even from a distance the sinking was obvious, this update solves that issue for me.

::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hombrexp on December 28, 2010, 07:31:57 AM
Many thanks Jan for the updated fde's, I have applied it to my FSX AI and it has made a significant improvement in the AI behavior especially on takeoff/landing.

The majority of my AI is handled by Ultimate Traffic 2, which uses its own models separate from those most people get from WOAI etc.   However, most of those models are in fact models from the big AI
developers like DJC, The Fruit Stand and Aardvark. 

I have a feeling that I can apply these fde's to those models as well with no bad outcome, but I was curious to know if any one here has UT2 and has updated those models with Jan's FDES.  The UT2 takes those
models from the above mentioned authors and makes them FSX compliant (i.e. reflective textures, the ability to enable the aircraft shadows in FSX sp2 without losing the textures at some payware airports).  But those
changes are made to the .mdl visual models, not the FDE'S or aircraft cfgs so in theory it should be safe to use these FS9 fde's with FSX UT2.

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on January 09, 2011, 12:27:39 PM
Jan, the Global Express XRS set, is that just for the XRS variant or for the regular Global Express as well? The name of the air file is confusing me.

;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 09, 2011, 09:30:14 PM
tested with the XRS variant only
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hombrexp on January 10, 2011, 02:42:59 AM
Hi, I wanted to reply that I updated the set of Ultimate Traffic 2 models that are based on the same models impacted by Jan's FDE's settings and can report no ill effects whatsoever!   Thanks again.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on January 16, 2011, 04:40:37 PM
Hi, this is quite addictive when you get the hang of it, I'm about a third of the way through.   

Wondered if I could ask Jan, if he could take a stab at updating the FDE of the Cam Sim C Series 100.     I had the developer do me a wonderful livery from my favourite Montreal Canadiens hockey team, but I can't fly the thing.   Someone said the developer uses the same file for his other excellent aircraft.   

Any chance I could see if you could take on the project?

Thanks,
John Haley
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on October 20, 2011, 10:36:07 AM
Hi Jan,

It has been a while, now that the weather is getting worse, perhaps you have some time to look at your FDE set?

::evilgrin::

There have been some new models that could really do with your fde magic. If you want, I can make a list with some info to make it easier for you.

::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hombrexp on October 21, 2011, 09:32:54 AM
I agree with above sentiment, with the approach of the winter doldrums upon us, it would be an opportune time to add the jan magic to the newer models.
I'm loving seeing more realistic AI behavior at my airports for the models already updated, it makes a world of difference to anyone with a passing interest with plausible airliner simulation in FS.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on October 22, 2011, 06:05:31 PM
Mike, the weather was bad nearly all summer here in Hamburg this year. For the next weeks it is impossible for me to do anything for FS. I would really like to do some scenery design, but my time is very limited, and, honestly said, I would rather waste it with something else. The problem I have is: I'm designing and developing, but I'm using my good old FS2004 nearly never for flying. There is something out of balance ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on October 22, 2011, 08:32:06 PM
The problem I have is: I'm designing and developing, but I'm using my good old FS2004 nearly never for flying. There is something out of balance ..

That goes for all of us.

:D
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: alexstan on September 12, 2012, 02:31:16 AM
Just getting around to actually installing these, ran across them the other day, and so far I'm pleased! Thank you!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on September 29, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Hi Jan,
     I was looking for an improved FDE for the TFS A380 but I can't find any of your FDEs on your web site.   Did you take them down, or am I missing something?

Steve
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: joshua dean on September 29, 2012, 02:34:42 PM
http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=12591.msg136109#msg136109

 ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on September 29, 2012, 02:39:51 PM
Thanks!   ::party::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: joshua dean on September 29, 2012, 02:42:19 PM
No problems. Jan put a load of new FDE's on this forum a little while back. I seemed to remember TFS A380 was one of them.

Joshua
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Batou on October 03, 2012, 02:58:26 PM
is the site with the fdes still active can't access the site.  :(
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jon on October 03, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
It's working.  Maybe clear your computer cookies?

http://janswebsites.110mb.com/fde/index.html
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Batou on October 03, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
AH, That one works, I tried the Link on the first site, which didn't work.

Thanks!
Title: New FDE Set's !
Post by: Jan Martin on October 10, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
New FDE Set's

AI GA DASSAULT F2000
AI GA DASSAULT F2000A
AI GA DASSAULT F2000W
AI GA DASSAULT F2000WA
AIM DC10-10
AIM DC10-30
GWAI B788
GWAI SSJ100-95
TCAI IL-62M
TFS A380
UTT B747-8F
UTT B747-8I
UTT MD11

Updates
AI GA CESSNA CITATION 550
AIG PC12

janswebsites.110mb.com (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/fde/index.html)
Mirror (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/index.html)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Global Express on October 10, 2012, 08:52:13 PM
Hi Jan,

I recently installed your FDE set and seem to have a problem with ATC recognizing AI aircraft types. Almost everything seems to be called "experimental". Has anyone else encountered similar problems? Everything was fine before.

Any ideas?

Thanks for your time
Alex
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: csturdiv on October 10, 2012, 09:02:49 PM
I do not have an aircraft.cfg in front of me at work, but check your files and in the [General] section make sure the correct entries are there for the type and model.  That is usually when the Experimental call out comes into play.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Global Express on October 10, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
Managed to fix the issue. An interesting discovery..

Each of my new FDE aircraft.txt files begin with, EG:

[General]
atc_type=AIRBUS
atc_model=A319
editable=0
performance=0

... then data
... then aircraft entries

When FS booted, I discovered that it automatically created another section:

[General]
atc_type=

.. below the aircraft entries.

All my previously models were WOAI auto-installs which had something like this at the top:

[WOA]
MODEL=2
FDE=2

When I installed Jan's FDEs, I removed this bit of code, thinking it was only for WOAI. It seems FS9 doesn't like aircraft.txt files beginning with [General].

Very bizarre - adding the WOAI code at the top of my aircraft.txt fixes the issue!  ???

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regan123 on October 11, 2012, 12:31:47 AM
AIUI, FS9 expects to find the fltsim sections at the top.  Whilst WOAI works just fine the way they set it up, I move mine all to the top anyway as I generally work only in that area.


Jan - With the updated files you've posted (thanks for these), do I need to swap out the aircraft.cfg as well as the .air file?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: alexstan on October 11, 2012, 01:12:27 AM
Jan - With the updated files you've posted (thanks for these), do I need to swap out the aircraft.cfg as well as the .air file?

Yes.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regan123 on October 23, 2012, 02:17:16 AM
I've just seen an A321 land on 19L at KSNA which is obviously the GA runway.  Is anyone else seeing that behaviour?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on October 23, 2012, 06:53:45 AM
I've just seen an A321 land on 19L at KSNA which is obviously the GA runway.  Is anyone else seeing that behaviour?

This is an AFCAD issue ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regan123 on October 23, 2012, 10:06:50 AM
The runway settings are attached on the image.  The 19L is considerably below the length threshold for the A321.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on October 23, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
Hello Jan,
Request for Model FAIB > B732, B733, B734, B735 ( and future B736 to B739, soon)
Thanks for best FDE´Jan

Sebastian
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ladannen on October 23, 2012, 11:23:26 AM
The runway settings are attached on the image.  The 19L is considerably below the length threshold for the A321.

19R is also below the length threshold. So FS won't direct the A321 to the longer runway.
If you can somehow extend the length of 19R to 7000 feet your problem will go away.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regan123 on October 23, 2012, 01:37:22 PM
Thanks for that.  I suppose I could extend it and then use a displaced threshold?  I assume that FS doesn't count blastpads in the Runway length calculation.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ladannen on October 23, 2012, 07:54:52 PM
Yes. Overrun area and displaced threshold are not calculated by FS2004, only the actual runway length (not sure about FSX since I don't have it).
I've had some success with that technique. I've shortened the outermost runways at KATL to 6500 feet so arriving aircraft use four parallel runways for landing.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regan123 on October 23, 2012, 10:02:23 PM
Extending the runway to 7,000ft and then brining in a displaced threshold to replace the blast area seems to have done the trick.  Thanks for your help.
Title: New FDE Sets !
Post by: Jan Martin on November 26, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
3 days ahead of plan; now a total of 169 sets
 
FAIB B732
FAIB B733
FAIB B733W
FAIB B734
FAIB B734W
FAIB B735
FAIB B735W
FAIB B736
FAIB B736W
FAIB B737
FAIB B737W
FAIB B738
FAIB B738W
FAIB B739
FAIB B739W
 
Jan's FlightSim Page (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/fde/index.html)
Mirror (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/index.html)
Title: Re: New FDE Sets !
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on November 26, 2012, 07:51:42 PM
3 days ahead of plan; now a total of 169 sets
 
FAIB B732
FAIB B733
FAIB B733W
FAIB B734
FAIB B734W
FAIB B735
FAIB B735W
FAIB B736
FAIB B736W
FAIB B737
FAIB B737W
FAIB B738
FAIB B738W
FAIB B739
FAIB B739W
 
Jan's FlightSim Page (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/fde/index.html)
Mirror (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/index.html)

Very thanks much..!  :yeah:
Title: Re: New FDE Sets !
Post by: alexstan on November 26, 2012, 08:50:36 PM
3 days ahead of plan; now a total of 169 sets
 
FAIB B732
FAIB B733
FAIB B733W
FAIB B734
FAIB B734W
FAIB B735
FAIB B735W
FAIB B736
FAIB B736W
FAIB B737
FAIB B737W
FAIB B738
FAIB B738W
FAIB B739
FAIB B739W
 
Jan's FlightSim Page (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/fde/index.html)
Mirror (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/index.html)

 ::cheers:: Thank you!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on November 27, 2012, 04:17:24 PM
How about the aircraft.cfg files? Are they sufficiently different from the stock FAIB ones to try?
Of course, they are, but flight behaviour does not seem to differ between versions FS9 and FSX. You just always need to install and keep *.air and *cfg files delivered as FDE set together in your aircraft folders.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on November 27, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
I finally read the ReadMe.  Thanks for the answer!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on November 27, 2012, 05:04:03 PM
 :oops:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Danthepilot on December 10, 2012, 07:10:17 PM
What exactly does changing these proper FDE's do for AI Aircraft? I have always wondered what this changes in the AI behavior? I would like to know before starting this long project in changing all my AI over

Thanks
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 10, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
What exactly does changing these proper FDE's do for AI Aircraft?

Description here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg49729#msg49729) and AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 21, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
Hi Folks
 
Because of a current occasion, just for your information,
 
if you'd like to use my FDE sets together with contact points and or lights from any other source:
 
You may experience trouble in certain situations like touch down or lift off with the tyres,
and regarding the lights, I've studied tons of images to put them to their correct positions,
using lights sections from other sources may result in less accurate lights positions.
 
FDE Page #1: janswebsites.110mb.com (http://janswebsites.110mb.com/fde/index.html) and Page #2: janswebsites.ja.funpic.de (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/index.html)
 
Regards Jan
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Welshy27 on February 03, 2013, 10:06:41 AM
I have just discovered your files Jan - thank you very much for these. I'm just wondering if there is a way of modifying the climb rate to a consistent level through all altitudes? I use the TFS and Aardvark models and notice that my AI climb between 2700 and 3200 fpm - this happened before and still occurs since installing your files. I would prefer for aircraft to climb between 1900 and 2200 fpm. 
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 04, 2013, 06:06:55 PM
Welshy27, this is not so easy to achieve without affecting other segments of flight. I've already maxed it out ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Welshy27 on February 05, 2013, 01:41:18 AM
One solution I have found is to lower the max_indicated_speed to 225 in the cfg file. The aircraft (TFS 772) did not exceed 1800 fpm during it's climb. I lost track of it at 25000ft but predict that it wouldn't have gone above 2200fpm since it generally increased by 100fpm for every 5000 feet. I'm not sure how/if this would impact on it's eventual cruise speed.   
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 05, 2013, 09:10:29 AM
I'm not sure how/if this would impact on it's eventual cruise speed.   
Yes, it does, also climb speed and angle of attack may be more unrealistic. The AC may not even be able to reach it's cruise altitude. More info at: AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Welshy27 on February 06, 2013, 02:42:18 PM
Changing it to 225 as you suggested affected the cruise speed. I've now tried a range of values and am getting more of a balance with 310 (that's with a 747 though). One question I have is since installing the new files, the AI now display in the aircraft selection window. How do I hide them again - do I need to modify the air.file? 
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2013, 03:02:31 PM
yes.  I have goaired to do it, but there are some others and can be found at this link.

http://www.militaryaiworks.com/tools.html
 other programs
http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=11407.0
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on February 06, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
Yes you have. There is a few programs that can do it. I.e. the program AI Aircraft Editor http://www.interkultur.de/gossmann/fsx/pfn/navega.php?PHPSESSID=d0615d367491e4f496b44d4e2e1bf0b8&dir=.%2FTools
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 03, 2013, 11:09:31 PM
Say Martin, just installed a paint into my TFS Airbus A330-200F folder and noticed there's no fde replacement for it. Can the regular A330-200 be used? Or can you perhaps include a set in your next update?

:)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on March 04, 2013, 05:06:40 PM
Never say never.

;)

Doesn't really matter, what you've given us so far is already more than enough and greatly appreciated!

::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on March 19, 2013, 05:04:33 PM
Hi, without having to trail through all 20 pages of this, does anyone know if anything was done to stop the ai from carrying on off the end of the runway during the take off. Only have the issue with some models.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: cgold on March 20, 2013, 06:11:45 AM
Might want to be more specific than that.. Lots of things determine that sort of behavior from an AI aircraft.

-where the airport is (elevation)
-how long the runway is
-what type of aircraft
-weather at the present time

All can have an effect on whether or not a plane runs off the end of a runway - similar to that of real life.
If you have a 747 operating at London City, its not wonder why.
If you have a 747 operating at Edwards AFB, that's different.

Planes take more room to take-off and land at higher elevations - (i.e: Denver)
If the runway is short, check the AFCAD to see if the AI is actually going where you want them to go.
(If the runway in the AFCAD is missaligned with the actual one, it could be why they are having excursions.)
If it is an aircraft that shouldn't operate out of a certain airport, that could be why. (i.e: 777 at Saba or something.)
And who knows, if there is unfavorable weather, it could render undesirable results.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on March 20, 2013, 08:43:52 AM
Don't think it could be any of that, I only get the problem with a few of the models. Namely - AIA E170/175 & AIG CRJ700 so far. They follow the flightplans that I get online so I don't think that could be the issue. During the take off role, they just don't get airbourne and carry on off the end of the runway and never leave the ground.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: cgold on March 20, 2013, 06:36:46 PM
E170's/E190's and CRJ's can operate out of a fairly small field, so that's not it.
Not really sure why they are doing that then..  ::confused::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 22, 2013, 07:20:33 PM
can happen if installed cfg file and air file are not suitable, from different aircraft for example
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: sunny on April 23, 2013, 08:15:34 AM
Anyone knows where is Jan's FDE set for UTT SSJ-100 (not GWAI model)?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 24, 2013, 07:33:05 AM
Jan's FDE set for UTT SSJ-100
It is still in the pipeline, like tons of others, for which I *groan* don't have time ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on April 24, 2013, 08:10:18 AM
Hello Jan,
Request, I look all Airport FSX by AI Traffic of heavy aircraft (B777, A340, B747..). I feel, that strong break.. ! 100% Runways, Traffic around 40% break..!
How change yours FDE??

Sebi
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 24, 2013, 08:21:39 AM
Request, I look all Airport FSX by AI Traffic of heavy aircraft (B777, A340, B747..). I feel, that strong break.. ! 100% Runways, Traffic around 40% break..!
How change yours FDE?
Unfortunately I cannot understand what you mean, but you could ask again in german language via PN.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: sunny on April 24, 2013, 08:23:16 AM
Jan's FDE set for UTT SSJ-100
It is still in the pipeline, like tons of others, for which I *groan* don't have time .

Ah, thanks for the reply.

 ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: 777jafo on April 25, 2013, 02:54:16 AM
Jan, thank you for those updated fde's..they wotk great...i hope this wasn't asked already do you have any updates on L-1011s..CDAI OR Dwai models??
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 25, 2013, 05:44:44 AM
do you have any updates on L-1011s..CDAI OR Dwai models?
Sorry, no. Usually, I don't care about outdated models or aircraft.
Title: Download FDE Set UTT B787-800
Post by: Jan Martin on April 30, 2013, 11:23:11 AM
atached: FDE Set for new UTT B787-800
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: joshua dean on April 30, 2013, 01:23:02 PM
Quick work!
Title: How changing the view in FlightSim can affect parking AI aircraft
Post by: Jan Martin on May 07, 2013, 04:51:26 PM
Using the Chase View or Slew Mode in Microsoft Flight Simulator can lead to weird parking behaviour of particular inactive AI aircraft. Some users may experience it with a certain model, while others may not have any problems with the same aircraft, while all are using the same FDE set.
 
I received such sinking or floating AI reports from time to time, and though Microsoft explains in the AircraftContainerSDK which parameter is responsible for it - 'static_cg_height' in the 'Contact_Points' section - it does not seem to work in all cases.
 
Years ago, I found out that there must be any link between the 'static_cg_height' and the nose wheel setting. Since then, I always used the same values for both, and thus hovering and sinking AI aircraft occurred only rarely.
 
The Images show what can happen: Right after a flight is loaded, all aircraft are parked properly with their wheels on the apron, but after using the 'Cycle Chase View' by CTRL+W or CTRL+SHIFT+W, and returning to the user aircraft, always the same parked and inactive model type sinks into the ground a little bit. At the moment of pushback, the model jumps up a little bit out of the ground, and everything is normal again.
 
Watch the Video (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=392097720904114) on my Facebook site.
 
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Title: New FDE Set's
Post by: Jan Martin on May 10, 2013, 09:47:27 AM
Download the latest FDE (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/shipment.zip) sets:
 
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mike... on May 10, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
Thanks Jan!

::cheers::
Title: Re: New FDE Set's
Post by: bradley27 on May 11, 2013, 09:41:39 PM
Download the latest FDE (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/shipment.zip) sets:
 
  • TFS A332F - long awaited
  • UTT B787-800
  • UTT CRJ-1000 - model released today
  • UTT SSJ100

They aren't in the zip i just downloaded?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on May 11, 2013, 09:47:00 PM
Tried to press the FDE in the post by Jan? There is a link.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on May 11, 2013, 09:59:15 PM
Dammmnn that isn't even visible on my screen, ha thanks Johan..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on May 12, 2013, 08:13:55 PM
Can anyone confirm if the below have been edited by Jan in his FDE zip? There are quite a few in this zip with different names to the ones listed by the developers by default..

UGA_JBAI Challenger 600 and 6013A
UGA_JBAI Challenger 605
UGA_JBAI Challenger 6013R
UGA_HTAI_Gates_Learjet_25
UGA_HTAI_Gates_Learjet_35
UGA_JBAI_Learjet 40
UGA_DJC_BD-700_5000
UGA_DJC_BD-700_Express
AIA 767-200 (would you just use the air file for the AIM 767-200)?
RM Beluga A300
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on May 13, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
UGA_JBAI Challenger 600 and 6013A
UGA_JBAI Challenger 605
UGA_JBAI Challenger 6013R
UGA_HTAI_Gates_Learjet_25
UGA_HTAI_Gates_Learjet_35
UGA_JBAI_Learjet 40
UGA_DJC_BD-700_5000
UGA_DJC_BD-700_Express
AIA 767-200 (would you just use the air file for the AIM 767-200)? never ever
RM Beluga A300

I did not do FDE sets for every model, and if there is only 1 FDE set for a model that comes with different engine types for example, the FDE set can be used for each engine type. If a model designer uses only 1 FDE set for different types of a model, but I provide different FDE sets for the different types, it was necessary, because the designer did not consider specific issues with the single FDE set, like different weights or lights positions etc.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Claws on June 06, 2013, 11:25:37 AM
Hi Jan.
I've just start installing your fde's and i love them so far.
I do notice one slight problem for the Aardvark E170. It scrapes the tail on takeoff. Seems to rotate too fast. Has anyone else experienced that?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: nangua on June 16, 2013, 02:55:58 PM
Nice work Jan. Must have taken a long time to put all these together! It's a great result.

I've installed them for most of the jet aircraft in my AI collection, and I like the lower rates of climb on departure; more realistic. The slower braking and longer takeoff runs are great too.

I also installed them for some of the turboprops (B1900, AN24, F90, etc.) and found a problem when some were deploying their flaps in cruise (near their real-world ceilings at around the high 20s and low 30s). I tracked it down to the max_mach entry in the [Reference Speeds] section. This was set at 0.55. They were obviously running into their MMO and deploying flaps to slow their cruise speed down. When I changed the max mach to something like 0.75, without changing anything else, the flaps stayed retracted and the problem therefore disappeared. Anyhow, this is just a reference in case anyone else has observed this in their sim.

All the best,

Nangua
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on June 16, 2013, 08:53:40 PM
some of the turboprops (B1900, AN24, F90, etc.) .. deploying their flaps in cruise
This may happen if the cruise altitude is exceeding the max possible FDE cruise altitude. The air is too thin for the engines in higher altitudes, cruise speed cannot be maintained, and thus the flaps get out. See AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html) for Cruise Altitude Max FL for each FDE set. When using an FDE set which is set to a max FL of 230 (B1900D), the cruise altitude in a flightplan should not exceed FL230. Usually, I designed for real world max cruise altitudes.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: nangua on June 17, 2013, 08:13:16 AM
Thanks Jan.

Yes, that makes sense. I realise I'd been testing them (at 3am!) at too high an altitude, so all bets are off outside the envelope!

All the best,

Nangua
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyPWM on July 12, 2013, 06:19:05 PM
Jan,

I've been playing with FDE Takeoff/landing for a couple AI A/C is FS2004. The only thing I cannot figure out is when they land it takes forever for the nose gear to touchdown. I thought I remember reading something about it but damned if I can find it. DougD
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: mikesierra on July 12, 2013, 06:45:04 PM
I guess you must have reduced the spoiler max angle quite a bit.. In that case, there are several ways to correct that - either you increase the spoiler max angle, and use some other way to get the desired effects, or you can increase the spoiler pitch moment, which will push the front wheel down when the spoilers will be deployed.. (Be careful doing that as it may cause problems when the spoilers are deployed in air if you put too high a value)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyPWM on July 12, 2013, 07:55:01 PM
Thanks mikesierra,

I did dropped the spoiler_limit to 20.0. I was trying to make a longer landing roll after touchdown. Where's the "spoiler pitch moment" you mentioned? Or what else could adjust for longer landing without screwing-up my takeoff adjustments? DougD.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: MNorm757 on July 13, 2013, 12:07:23 AM
Adjust the following field to a value closer to zero.  It will reduce the reverse thrust effectiveness:

min_throttle_limit =

I adjusted my AIM CRJ-200s to min_throttle_limit = -0.10 and the roll out is much better. 
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyPWM on July 13, 2013, 01:13:27 AM
Thanks MNorm757,

I got the distance I need, I'm just trying to get the damn nose gear to touch down quicker. I've increase the spoiler_limit up to 70 and I've been toying with the wing_area. The results are getting better.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: mikesierra on July 13, 2013, 04:16:22 AM
Yeah, you can adjust the reverser power. The pitch moment thing is in the .air file, that you have to open with AirEd (which you can find on Avsim IIRC).
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on July 28, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
Statement regarding Cruise_Speed settings used in my FDE sets in combination with flightplan installation using AIFP
 
I was always a manual installer, I never used any installation progams. So, the issue was brought to my attention by this post (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=16925.msg160327#msg160327). I developed the FDE sets for the FS2004 FAIB A320 series, and the cruise_speed parameters used by me are no real world values. Cruise speed of AI aircraft is controlled by a mixture of different parameters, not only the 'cruise_speed' in the Aircraft.cfg. My aim is to make AI aircraft fly with real world cruise speeds at usual cruise altitudes. I therefore made some tests in order to see whether there is any impact caused by the cruise_speed settings in my FDE sets. Here are the test results with 2 different flightplans:
 
 
orangelight Lufthansa Winter 2012/2013 (Version 1.1)
by Denis Schranz
FP_lufthansa_wi_2012-2013
uses '200' kts in Aircraft.txt
 
Installed in FS9 using AIFP - no other FP's installed
 
[Ã?] Use Cruise Speeds from Aircraft.cfg
EDDF to VTBS - Arrival 07:35GMT : situation started 07:00GMT / appeared 07:09GMT / landed 07:29GMT
EDDF to VOBL - Arrival 20:30GMT : situation started 20:00GMT / appeared 20:07GMT / landed 20:25GMT
EDDM to EDDH - Arrival 09:20GMT : situation started 08:45GMT / appeared 08:56GMT / landed 09:09GMT
 
[  ] Use Cruise Speeds from Aircraft.cfg
EDDF to VTBS - Arrival 07:35GMT : situation started 07:00GMT / appeared 07:09GMT / landed 07:29GMT
EDDF to VOBL - Arrival 20:30GMT : situation started 20:00GMT / appeared 20:07GMT / landed 20:25GMT
EDDM to EDDH - Arrival 09:20GMT : situation started 08:45GMT / appeared 08:56GMT / landed 09:11GMT
 
 
orangelight Emirates Winter 2012/2013
AIG Johan Clausen
FP_emirates_wi_2012-2013
uses 475 to 490 kts in Aircraft.txt
 
Installed in FS9 using AIFP - no other FP's installed
 
[Ã?] Use Cruise Speeds from Aircraft.cfg
OMDB to EDDH - Arrival 11:50GMT : situation started 11:15GMT / appeared 11:28GMT / landed 11:42GMT
 
[  ] Use Cruise Speeds from Aircraft.cfg
OMDB to EDDH - Arrival 11:50GMT : situation started 11:15GMT / appeared 11:28GMT / landed 11:42GMT
 
 
readytogo So, I personally don't see any negative effects installing flightplans with AIFP in combination with my FDE sets, regardless the speeds used in the Aircraft.cfg, or checking 'Use Cruise Speeds from Aircraft.cfg', or not. The results are always about the same.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on July 28, 2013, 10:09:42 PM
Thanks for looking into it, Jan.  I thought it was a bigger deal than it apparently is.

Steve
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on August 17, 2013, 07:52:25 PM
Hi, just wondering if the FDEs will be done for the new FAIB Airbus models, or is it possible to use the DJC airbus ADE?? Thanks in advance :-)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on August 17, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
The FDE for the FAIB A32X is made by Jan Martin, so there might not come any FDE from him, at least for these models.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: benclark on August 17, 2013, 08:17:07 PM
The FDE for the FAIB A32X is made by Jan Martin, so there might not come any FDE from him, at least for these models.
Yup little point in publishing the same FDE again, still I would have a chuckle if I was Jan knowing how many people would spend the time installing the same FDE again :D
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ewerber on August 17, 2013, 10:20:51 PM
Actually only the FS9 FDE is made by Jan, if you wish to use his FDE in FSX you will need to transfer the .air and .cfg from the FS9 part of the base packs.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: benclark on August 17, 2013, 11:29:51 PM
Actually only the FS9 FDE is made by Jan, if you wish to use his FDE in FSX you will need to transfer the .air and .cfg from the FS9 part of the base packs.
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Interesting, what's the difference between your FDE and Jan's in FSX? I see Jan's .air file is larger while his .cfg file is smaller, beyond that I'm clueless about .air and .cfg file contents.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on August 18, 2013, 09:39:56 PM
Ok was just wondering I have the same issues as I did when the FAIB 737 models first came out and I was using the original FDEs. E.g. Barely using any of the runway during landing, rocking and shuddering after take off. When I changed the FDEs this all stopped and the performance was a lot better.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: benclark on August 22, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
Jan with the FAIB 737 models that have both a Normal, Logolight and Winglet model, obviously your FDE is fine with the winglet and normal but what about the logolight? I honestly don't know what's different between it and the normal so I have been using your normal FDE but it occurred to me today that something must be different surely for Erez to have given the logolight its own separate folder rather than combine it with the normal model.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: RobW94 on August 22, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
something must be different surely for Erez to have given the logolight its own separate folder rather than combine it with the normal model.

Was it not related to the lightmaps. As you couldn't put a generic FSX lightmap in the folder as some require to logolight to be activated and others don't?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Nils on August 22, 2013, 04:16:49 PM
something must be different surely for Erez to have given the logolight its own separate folder rather than combine it with the normal model.

Was it not related to the lightmaps. As you couldn't put a generic FSX lightmap in the folder as some require to logolight to be activated and others don't?

I think the .air file is the same, but the lights position in the aircraft.cfg is different to the Normal model
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: benclark on August 22, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
something must be different surely for Erez to have given the logolight its own separate folder rather than combine it with the normal model.

Was it not related to the lightmaps. As you couldn't put a generic FSX lightmap in the folder as some require to logolight to be activated and others don't?

I think the .air file is the same, but the lights position in the aircraft.cfg is different to the Normal model
Yeah but then the lights in Jan's FDE's are also in different positions, that's what prompted me to ask this question.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ewerber on August 22, 2013, 10:55:34 PM
The classics Normal,Logo light and Winglet all have different light positions hence the different aircraft.cfg files.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: benclark on August 23, 2013, 12:04:30 AM
The classics Normal,Logo light and Winglet all have different light positions hence the different aircraft.cfg files.
So Jan's FDE sets should have three versions too then? I do wonder, Jan, why the different light placements compared to Erez's original FDE files?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on August 25, 2013, 08:21:25 PM
Are your FDEs okay to use on the newly released UTT FSX Native 787 and MD11 do we know?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Andy on August 26, 2013, 09:16:29 AM
I haven't got the FDE's to hand Ben, but I reckon the reference datum has been moved to improve flight handling. In that case the lights would have to move as well.

Other than that I can't see a reason for a change of lights.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Claws on September 17, 2013, 07:05:14 PM
Actually only the FS9 FDE is made by Jan, if you wish to use his FDE in FSX you will need to transfer the .air and .cfg from the FS9 part of the base packs.

Is their any negative effects from doing this; any FSX specific setting in the air/cfg file that you might lose ?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: integral on September 19, 2013, 06:36:33 AM
Negative effects on FS9 FDEs moved to FSX, you would have a couple of them, but hard to spot unless you follow several AIs on their respective routes, and on several situations (IFR, VFR, different part of the world, how they behave in congestion.. and with or without Taxi speed DLL fix)
FS9 and FSX way of handling AI specs are pretty much the same IMHO. But there are some bits left. Just remember if FSX handles one of the FDE parameters differently, chances are a bunch of other parameters would be affected..

Anyway, until someone completely understands how FSX handles FDEs, and have the time to produce FSX specific flight dynamics for every models (or most of them) I think we had to rely on our own experience, tweaks and observations. :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: big_al on October 13, 2013, 05:16:05 PM
Maybe I'm blind but, I can't find a link to Jan's website and updated FDEs?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on October 13, 2013, 06:11:38 PM
Maybe I'm blind but, I can't find a link to Jan's website and updated FDEs?

Don't worry, you're not blind. The main website experiences long shutdowns from time to time for years now. Just try the Mirror Page (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/index.html).
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: big_al on October 13, 2013, 10:52:10 PM
Great, thank you. I really appreciate all you've done for the community. Your airport scenery mod packages were the first addons I ever used.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: big_al on October 14, 2013, 06:20:14 PM
Jan, I just looked at your fde file, and noticed no C208 or any small cessnas. I use Henry's C208 with a lot of smaller cargo feeders. Do you have an updated FDE for that? As well as the HTAI models of other Cessnas possibly? Thank you
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on October 16, 2013, 01:15:51 PM
Jan, I just looked at your fde file, and noticed no C208 or any small cessnas. I use Henry's C208 with a lot of smaller cargo feeders. Do you have an updated FDE for that? As well as the HTAI models of other Cessnas possibly?

This table (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html) shows all the models I've designed FDE sets for, with the latest availabe version and model designer information ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: big_al on October 16, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
SB SD3-30 isn't in your adv zip file, where can I find it?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on October 16, 2013, 06:43:53 PM
SB SD3-30 isn't in your adv zip file, where can I find it?
In the outdated sets collection file: fde-set-v5acof-2009.zip (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/fde-set-v5acof-2009.zip)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: krwynn on November 16, 2013, 07:24:05 AM
Thanks for the FDE's Jan. Appreciate it. I'm not sure which ones to use for the AIA 736,737,738, or 739. Pre-Super duper or the super duper versions. My Models are all the updated FSX versions. Thanks.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on November 16, 2013, 07:28:52 AM
The FSX models of the AIA B737's are the SD-series.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: krwynn on November 29, 2013, 06:19:32 PM
The FSX models of the AIA B737's are the SD-series.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on December 18, 2013, 06:05:58 PM
Is it possible to get the FDE sets for the UTT B747-8 & SSJ please?? :)
Title: FDE's Version 6 Pre Release
Post by: Jan Martin on December 29, 2013, 11:30:29 PM
Hi Folks!
 
In December 2002, 11 years ago, my attention was directed to FDE sets and their purpose by Matt Fox, one of the AFCAD radius system "inventors", a few weeks later, I was amidst tweaking FDE sets. In another December, 5 years ago, v5acofadv FDE's came to light.
 
This December, it is time for the v6acof FDE sets, which I started to develop earlier this year in May.
Some problems still couldn't be solved without messing up other phases of flight:
I did never watch any parked aircraft sunk into or hover over the ground after updating the FDE's from v5acofadv to v6acof.
 
Older models like B707 / B747SP / DC9 will be phased out in my system as well in reality, and therefore won't be converted to v6acof's.
 
Special thanks to Rainer Mehlin (model designer) and Erez Werber (FAIB) for providing useful information!
 
Now with model download links in the 'Model Designer' column, as well as, if availabe, links to 'Airport Planning Manuals' download pages of aircaft manufacturers by clicking on table headlines: AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v6acof.html)
 
Updated with several new decodings: AI FDE Settings - Changes & Results (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html) v6.0
 
Attached is a pre-release with 124 FDE sets; originally I had set the release date to anytime in February, but developing progress is faster than expected.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on December 29, 2013, 11:37:35 PM
Thank yo so much, Jan!

Now I know what to do on New Years Day :P
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: RobW94 on December 29, 2013, 11:38:38 PM
WOW, this will be a great improvement to AI behaviour. Many thanks for your hard work on the FDEs Jan!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on December 30, 2013, 12:35:27 AM
I certainly hope so, going to back up everything before the facelift.    I seem to recall there was some past problems with this if you used some of the AI programs to control aircraft on approach.   

At any rate, thanks for all your hard work!

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: gapeters on December 30, 2013, 03:15:19 AM
Thank you Jan for continuing this project. I was just installing some V5 FDE's yesterday.

Greg
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on December 30, 2013, 08:31:49 AM
Jan.. Very much thanks..!! (Vielen tausend Danke) for new&update FDE!!

regard
sebastian
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: nzaa on December 30, 2013, 10:02:10 AM
..what a surprise at the end of 2013   ::happy::
Thank you so much Jan !!! (und guten Ã?bergang  ::cheers::)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dubstar on December 30, 2013, 04:17:55 PM
what a nice surprise .. thanks very much!  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Maestro69 on December 30, 2013, 06:24:03 PM
Jan, thank you for the your hard work and hope to see these improves soon in my fsx :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on December 30, 2013, 07:50:28 PM
3 more aircraft folders to convert and then I'm up in the air to give these a try.   

Can't wait. 

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on December 30, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
Yes again, thankyou Jan! A finer detail that is very much appreciated by us all im sure.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: nangua on December 30, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
Thanks Jan.

Your work is much appreciated!  :)

Cheers,

David
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: GooberMc1 on December 30, 2013, 08:40:04 PM
Thank you Jan, my AI won't be misbehaving any more thanks to a fantastic improvement.  8)  :)

 ::cheers:: and regards
GooberMc1
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on December 30, 2013, 10:32:32 PM
First flight from Fort Lauderdale to Raleigh, North Carolina.   Lots of AI at KFLL and KRDU and they all moved about magnificently!     Watched some of the FAIB models come and go at point of origin and destination and they moved on the ground and in the air without any issues that I could see.    Tracked a half dozen in the air and they were flying without any problems. 

Next flight is Raleigh-Durham to Dallas, so far....I have NO issues that I've observed. 

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: nzaa on January 01, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
Hi Jan,

After changing the FDE there is a problem wih the AI at the end of the taxiway before line up.
The AI didn't stop in time and drive into each other. This happens for example at EGLL and  EDDF.
I checked the default FS Taxiway speed, it's still 17.

Any suggestion ?

Thanks in advance
Dirk
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: delta64heavy on January 01, 2014, 03:46:51 PM
I'm having the same problem as nzaa. I looks like a big plane orgy happening.   :D
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: trioer on January 01, 2014, 07:38:57 PM
I think that may be an afcad problem. I may be wrong but I thought that happened when hold short nodes are too far away from the runway?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: delta64heavy on January 01, 2014, 07:44:57 PM
It's not the AFCAD because when I switched back to the v5 FDEs, there was no problem. Maybe the taxi speed is to high? But this is only a pre-release not the final version, so not really sweating it.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 01, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
This can happen if the model radius is too small, and or the 'toe_brakes_scale' in the aircraft.cfg [Brakes] section is set too low, also with simulation rate higher than normal. I set the value to such a low number in order to ensure a smooth change from rollout to taxiing. Maybe it is set too low, indeed, and I must go back to the old value I've used (and kept for the TFS heavies), this will reduce the braking length by about 5 to 10%.
 
If you experience problems, just change aircraft.cfg [Brakes] section
toe_brakes_scale = 0.001
to
toe_brakes_scale = 0.1
 
Thank you for pointing that out!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on January 01, 2014, 08:41:14 PM
Haven't noticed the problem on half a dozen flights so far.   

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: nzaa on January 01, 2014, 10:26:40 PM
I changed the toe_brakes_scale back to 0.1 and everything is ok now ::happy::

Thank you for the qick help !
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on January 03, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Jan,

can you suggest maybe why some user aircraft...PMDG and Qualitywings payware aircraft cause AI traffic to taxi so far behind..example...this is the distance when both my aircraft (747) and the AI aircraft behind me are both stationary.

This was never a problem in FS9 if i recall..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jon on January 03, 2014, 11:33:09 PM
Jan,

A suggestion.  If possible could the air files for the aircraft be set so they do not show in the UI menu.  I've got no problem modifying them with "airedit" .
thanks in advance

Jon
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 04, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
can you suggest maybe why some user aircraft...PMDG and Qualitywings payware aircraft cause AI traffic to taxi so far behind..
Different taxi speed of AI and user, AI manipulating programs, radius values, AFCAD issues, is what I would think first, since I don't know a way to cause something like that by any FDE setting.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 04, 2014, 06:42:34 PM
A suggestion.  If possible could the air files for the aircraft be set so they do not show in the UI menu.
I've thought about that versions ago, and decided against it, because the menu shows quickly what I have installed.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jon on January 04, 2014, 09:36:53 PM
A suggestion.  If possible could the air files for the aircraft be set so they do not show in the UI menu.
I've thought about that versions ago, and decided against it, because the menu shows quickly what I have installed.
fair enough
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on January 21, 2014, 02:13:15 AM
Noticed some problems with the Embraer Jet taking off.    This particular aircraft will travel down the runway and not lift off until its way off the runway.  When it does go up, its a VERY slow climb. 

Believe its the E190, but I need to do some more testing.  Everything else is running very smoothly.

Thanks!

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on January 27, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Jan are you still making changes to this latest version of your FDEs?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 28, 2014, 09:11:34 AM
Jan are you still making changes to this latest version of your FDEs?
I'm currently not working on FDE's at all. So far, the toe brakes (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg173266#msg173266) seems to be the only change I'd have to do.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes &amp; Results
Post by: piliwi on February 24, 2014, 07:42:01 AM
Maybe a stupid question. Are these fde meant for fsx or fs9 or both? In the faib aircraft.cfg I find for example more entries. Just am not sure.
Thanks,
Hans

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Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes &amp; Results
Post by: piliwi on February 25, 2014, 07:15:09 AM
Before i decide to install these probably fantastic v6 fde's, i want to know if someone out there already installed them in fsx and if so do they work without problems? And concerning the Faib fde's, they are better than the original faib fde's? Also, can I keep my shockwave light and contact points settings?

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Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dominato83 on February 25, 2014, 11:27:24 AM
I have them in FSX and afaik, they work fine.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes &amp; Results
Post by: piliwi on February 25, 2014, 12:06:14 PM
Thanks, and you have no problem with shockwave lights and contact points?

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Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dominato83 on February 25, 2014, 01:23:56 PM
I don't use shockwave so I can't comment on that but contact points are fine afaik
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mag93 on July 13, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Hi,

I can't access Jan's homepage at the moment - is it generally down, or just temporary?
I wanted to download v6 of his FDEs.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on July 13, 2014, 02:48:54 PM
Version 6 can be found here:
http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg173124#msg173124
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mag93 on July 13, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
Thank you!

I wasn't sure, if this is the most up to date version, because it is called "pre-release".
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on July 13, 2014, 03:00:16 PM
It is the current one. The one at the website is only version 5.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: pommy80 on July 14, 2014, 02:58:33 AM
Apologies if this has been discussed, however when updating the TFS A330's, I noticed all of them were landing at 100 knots, which affected there GS. Also another issue is the UTT 787 never lands. It seems to descend very slowly, causing it to call a missed approach.

Anyone know why?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: savski on August 04, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
Does anyone have a link to the v5 FDEs? It seems Jan's website is offline.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on August 04, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
Why not use version 6?

http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg173124#msg173124
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: savski on August 04, 2014, 10:39:15 PM
No FDE for DC-9s there, AIG or AIA, or some other models that a Retro AI user needs. ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bjoern on September 01, 2014, 11:44:37 PM
Both of the homepages are down, so can anyone upload v5 somewhere, pretty please with a cherry on top?

(Yes, I've got v6 and yes, I've got a handsome collection of geriatric 721s, DC-9s, DC-8s, etc..)
Title: Outdated FDE set's [no support]
Post by: Jan Martin on September 02, 2014, 08:28:20 AM
Outdated FDE set's [no support]
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: MKY661 on September 08, 2014, 09:06:28 AM
Hey everyone. Anyone know where the Installation file is for this. I just replaced my Aircraft.cfg for the FAIB 737-800 excluding the textures and they all disappeared. Any help would be appreciated :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on September 08, 2014, 12:07:45 PM
Did you include the aircraft entries... i.e, [fltsim.0], [fltsim.1], etc?    You have to copy everything from the [GENERAL] entry on down into your existing Aircraft.cfg...      Then the paints should show up.

Steve
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: MKY661 on September 08, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Did you include the aircraft entries.. i.e, [fltsim.0], [fltsim.1], etc?    You have to copy everything from the [GENERAL] entry on down into your existing Aircraft.cfg..      Then the paints should show up.

Steve

That's what I did and they all went :(
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on September 08, 2014, 12:31:46 PM
Hmmm.   I've never had an issue when updating these.   
Can you e-mail me your aircraft.cfg file in question?   Send me a pm and I'll send you my e-mail address.

Steve
Title: Re: Outdated FDE set's [no support]
Post by: Bjoern on November 27, 2014, 11:08:32 PM
Outdated FDE set's [no support]

Danke, Jan!

(Better late than never! :) )
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: kenneth_brattey on January 06, 2015, 08:25:05 PM
I've just discovered this little gem of a programme. Just completed the update to all my FAIB A320 family, what a difference, especially on the departure, no more unrealistic speed and climb issues.  Landing and rollout are much smoother and more in tune with reality. 

Next job will be getting the right shockwave combinations.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: pete b on January 07, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
Could somebody please clarify for me which is tRegardshe most up-to-date FDE to use with the FAIB Models

either Jan's V6 or the FAIB latest version  ::confused::

Regards
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: ewerber on January 07, 2015, 03:25:21 PM
FDE for all of FAIB's models was not changed with the latest update, so most likely Jan's V6 is the newest.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: lrog on January 07, 2015, 08:42:48 PM
Thanks, will re-install Jan's v6 :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Whisper201 on January 08, 2015, 05:24:03 PM
           

                                                        Hello, I have updated 3 AI planes with the new FDE's, the AIG 757 winglets, OSP atr's, and the AI 737-800 winglet. While waiting to takeoff from TJSJ, other planes taxi to takeoff
 
                                                        as well. 1 AA 757 winglet, 1 USAirways 757 winglet, and 2 ATR. They all ended up within each other, like they didn't recognize each others space or distance. Is there anything I can

                                                        do to fix it??  Thanx for any help...

                                                             

                                                       
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on January 08, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Look at page 24 and 25  ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dominato83 on January 08, 2015, 05:43:12 PM
Specifically here: http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg173266#msg173266 (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg173266#msg173266)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Whisper201 on January 08, 2015, 05:44:23 PM


                                                     THanx guys..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: milima on January 16, 2015, 03:55:36 PM
Can anyone help me on how to get the FS9 FDEs from Jan.
Both links to his website seems to be not working.

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on January 16, 2015, 03:57:06 PM
You can get them here:
http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg173124#msg173124
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: milima on January 16, 2015, 04:06:12 PM
Thanx Johan  :yeah:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mooze on January 16, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
Sounds great, do I have to install them manually?

Thanks for the hard work!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on January 16, 2015, 04:38:48 PM
Yes. There is no automatic installer or anything.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Mooze on January 16, 2015, 04:42:06 PM
Gonna be painful lol, thanks very much Johan!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Whisper201 on January 21, 2015, 08:27:36 PM
Hello,

                                                                Maybe this has been answered before, my apologies. My question is: If there's no update for a certain aircraft for example AI DC-9-10 FDE,

                                                  can I replace it with  the DC-9-30 FDE ?? Or leave at is???

                                                                 Also today I was noticing that my AIG 757's winglets are coming in too high then stall/fall to quickly and disappears.....is that to do with the FDE's that I replace??

                                                Thanx for the help...very appreciative..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Holy Cheese on February 06, 2015, 05:09:31 PM
Quick question about Jan's v6acof FDE's if I may.

I'm slowly going through and updating my aircraft FDEs (using P3D2.4) and have reached the AIA Embraer 170.

The existing air file in the aircraft folder is named aia_emb_170.air while Jan's v6 is named aiaerj170v6acof.air. I probably stupidly confused myself by looking in the Model folder, and of course the model file and model.cfg all refer to a model called aia_emb_170.mdl.

My question is, does this difference in naming convention have any negative effect, or can I happily stick the v6acof.air file in without any worries?

Thanks for answering what is probably a very stupid question.

Cheers
Jack
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: joshua dean on February 06, 2015, 05:11:08 PM
Just make sure that the sim= line matches the .air file that you are trying to use.

So in the AIA EMB170, you would have sim=aiaerj170v6acof
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Holy Cheese on February 06, 2015, 05:16:26 PM
Thanks for the speedy answer Joshua.

That's what I've been doing and also been copy pasting the aircraft entries from the old aircraft.cfg into the new one. I guess the different model name just threw me a bit of a wobbler.

Cheers
Jack
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Whisper201 on February 06, 2015, 07:28:34 PM
                             

                                                 Hello,

                                                             I have updated most of my AI planes with the latest FDE's, But I get most of the times the AIG 757-200 winglet come in too high, either they

                                      miss approach or come too fast and disappear or stall and fall and disappear. Any sugggestions?? Thanx for any help....very appreciated
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Ronaldo747 on February 06, 2015, 08:10:28 PM
Make sure that you really replaced the aircraft.cfg. If you working on lots of AI planes you may forget one step of replacing. It happens quickly.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: RayP on February 12, 2015, 08:03:42 PM
Gents,

I've been pointed to this site by a fellow enthusiast. My Ai traffic package is MyTrafficX. Am I correct in thinking that I can modify those Ai by doing the following:-

Copy the supplied .air file into the equivalent aircraft type folder in SimObjects\Airplanes\aircrafttype

For each identical aircraft type copy everything from the [General] section downwards in the supplied aircraft.cfg and paste it into the MyTrafficX equivalent aircraft.cfg replacing what is already there. Retain all the different [fltsim.x] entries as these contain all the liveries.

Edit Sim= entry for each aircraft type to point to the supplied air file.

I'll start slow and check each type is working before moving on to the next one.

Many thanks for your hard work Jan.  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on February 22, 2015, 04:48:47 PM
I've definitely tracked down some type of takeoff problem with the Embraer 175.    The aircraft continues its roll well past the end of the runway, even at larger airports.   It will continue along the ground for an extended period and then eventually lift off. 

I've seen this at multiple airports while observing the Air Canada.   

Thoughts?  I could do a reinstall of this particular aircraft config and report back, haven't seen anyone else comment, but it's definitely going on in my virtual world.

Checked the information in the aircraft config with the original FDE set posted here, its the same.    Would sure appreciate insight. 

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on February 26, 2015, 11:58:40 PM
Hi Jan, is there something that I could try editing in the aircraft .cfg to make ai (tested with FAIB models only) to make them 15 knots faster on final?
I'm on P3D v2.5 and with your v6acofadv FDE's, I'm having that problem, they are approaching at 125Kts for the 737's and 128 or so for the 738's, I think the airbuses have the same problem.
Thanks a lot for you excellent job making this FDE replacements, they are great
Bogga
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 04, 2015, 03:00:19 PM
Thoughts?
Did you install the right FDE set for your model, and did you install both Config file and Air file?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 04, 2015, 03:07:32 PM
I'm having that problem, they are approaching at 125Kts
Try to decrease the following values in the Config file:
 
[Flaps.0]
flaps-position.3 = 6
flaps-position.4 = 8
flaps-position.5 = 8

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: atco on March 04, 2015, 06:16:10 PM
I don't know what to say John, I have the same FDE set as you and my E175 performs flawlessly.

I can only guess that either you have:
a) installed the updated cfg settings but forgot to install the air file
or
b) installed the air file but forgot to update the cfg settings

I don't really see what else it could be. Performs perfectly in my sim.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on March 04, 2015, 10:22:48 PM
Thanks a lot Jan I'll try with what you mentioned and report later.
Have a good one
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on March 04, 2015, 10:32:08 PM
Thoughts?
Did you install the right FDE set for your model, and did you install both Config file and Air file?
Yeap, 100% sure, I'm reformatting next week and let you know how it went, but I'll try with the flaps 0 tweak, thanks again
Sincerely
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flattermann on March 12, 2015, 12:46:16 PM
Hi
I use FSX and changed my WoA_AIG_CRJ-700 to AIG CRJ7 with aigcrj700v6acof. I use both files aircraft.cfg and aigcrj700v6acof.air. It works fine but I think there is a problem with the brake distance. Landing velocity is 138 kts but the brake distance only is about 2300 feet. I believe this is too short for this aircraft. Have you any idea what to do?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: MNorm757 on March 12, 2015, 04:12:23 PM
Hi
I use FSX and changed my WoA_AIG_CRJ-700 to AIG CRJ7 with aigcrj700v6acof. I use both files aircraft.cfg and aigcrj700v6acof.air. It works fine but I think there is a problem with the brake distance. Landing velocity is 138 kts but the brake distance only is about 2300 feet. I believe this is too short for this aircraft. Have you any idea what to do?

Reduce the value of the toe_brakes_scale until you get the results you like.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on March 13, 2015, 02:06:47 AM
I don't know what to say John, I have the same FDE set as you and my E175 performs flawlessly.

I can only guess that either you have:
a) installed the updated cfg settings but forgot to install the air file
or
b) installed the air file but forgot to update the cfg settings

I don't really see what else it could be. Performs perfectly in my sim.

Thanks, I've replaced the air file and config tonight, going into the sim to have another look.    Appreciate the feedback, if yours is working, its got to be my installation of the files. 

Let you know

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on March 13, 2015, 02:26:29 AM
No, there's something that's not right, I just can't figure this one out.     I followed the E-175 out of Montreal on 6L, more than 11,000 feet of runway and it ran right off the end, went airborne about 20 seconds later, that's with the latest air file and config.   It climbs, descends and lands without issue.   Just at a glance, it appears that the speed wasn't high enough, but then it eventually rotates and all goes well. 

ATCO, or anyone whose E-175 works just fine, could you post your config file for the E-175, I'm definitely using the most recent FDE sets.   But I would like to take a look line by line, just the FDE portion of the config, no need for all the aircraft entries. 

Weird.

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flattermann on March 13, 2015, 07:31:20 AM
Hi
I use FSX and changed my WoA_AIG_CRJ-700 to AIG CRJ7 with aigcrj700v6acof. I use both files aircraft.cfg and aigcrj700v6acof.air. It works fine but I think there is a problem with the brake distance. Landing velocity is 138 kts but the brake distance only is about 2300 feet. I believe this is too short for this aircraft. Have you any idea what to do?

Reduce the value of the toe_brakes_scale until you get the results you like.
Thank you for the tip :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Whisper201 on March 13, 2015, 08:52:02 PM

                                              Hello,

                                                                  Don't know if this the correct area for this, but my question is :   To increase/decrease  toe brake .1 or .001 . which is greater?? and can toe-brake be also 1.0??
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on March 13, 2015, 09:13:57 PM
The higher the value, the more it'll brake. So if you want less brake then decrease the value.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 14, 2015, 09:03:22 AM
FSX .. AIG CRJ7 with aigcrj700v6acof .. brake distance only is about 2300 feet
In FS9, you can expect 3500ft. Do not decrease:
 
[Brakes]
toe_brakes_scale = 0.1
 
In order to manipulate the braking distance, play around with:
 
[GeneralEngineData]
min_throttle_limit = -0.50
 
In your case, try any value between -0.50 and -0.01 to increase braking distance.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on March 14, 2015, 09:03:30 AM
No, there's something that's not right, I just can't figure this one out .. the E-175
You may check the size of the model files:
 
aia_emb_175.mdl (model.no_refl) = 636594 Bytes
aia_emb_175.mdl (model.reflective) = 640914 Bytes
 
If you have different values, the FDE set may not match your model files
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on March 14, 2015, 12:00:30 PM
Didn't even think to check the model file.    Thanks Jan, I'll report back here once I check it out and verify.    Just downloaded the original AIA file, was hopeful, but when I examined them and replaced them in the sim, they are the size that you have listed.   Still I will replace them and run a test. 

Much appreciated!!

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on March 14, 2015, 12:14:10 PM
Went through the aircaft config with a microcope, I find my config has the following entries at the end of the Airplane Geometry section, where yours don't. 

spolier_extension_time=2.000000
positive_g_limit_flaps_up=3.000000
positive_g_limit_flaps_down=2.000000
negative_g_limit_flaps_up=2.000000
negative_g_limit_flaps_down=2.000000

When I remove those entries and try, no difference. 

I also have the following entries at the end of the config, but I think they are there for every aircraft

[vacuum_system]
max_pressure=5.150000
vacuum_type=2
electric_backup_pressure=0.000000
engine_map=0,0,0,0

[pneumatic_system]
max_pressure=18.000000
bleed_air_scalar=1.000000

[deice_system]
structural_deice_type=0

I noted that earlier in this post, going back to 2013, someone else reported the same problem with a small number of models, including the ERJ-175, but he reported that his model didn't leave the ground which is not the case with my model.    It eventually goes airborne, but long after its left the runway.   

General Discussion / Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
« Message by flyer123 on March 20, 2013, 04:43:52 AM »

Don't think it could be any of that, I only get the problem with a few of the models. Namely - AIA E170/175 & AIG CRJ700 so far. They follow the flightplans that I get online so I don't think that could be the issue. During the take off role, they just don't get airbourne and carry on off the end of the runway and never leave the ground.

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on March 14, 2015, 12:46:42 PM
Tested with the replaced model no change.   

Aircraft gets off the ground, but only after it leaves the runway, noticed when I rolled around the aircraft external views that the nose wheel is ever so slightly off the ground after takeoff roll.  But it appears to be at a glance that the aircraft is rolling too slowly during takeoff, not a huge reduction in speed but noticeable. 

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flattermann on March 14, 2015, 08:08:18 PM
FSX . AIG CRJ7 with aigcrj700v6acof . brake distance only is about 2300 feet
In FS9, you can expect 3500ft. Do not decrease:
 
[Brakes]
toe_brakes_scale = 0.1
 
In order to manipulate the braking distance, play around with:
 
[GeneralEngineData]
min_throttle_limit = -0.50
 
In your case, try any value between -0.50 and -0.01 to increase braking distance.

Thank you very much for answering, but:
I tested with min_throttle_limit = -0.01  braking distance was about 2400 ft
I tested with min_throttle_limit = -0.50  braking distance was about 2000 ft

I don't think this is realistic ???
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on March 18, 2015, 06:04:55 PM
Tested with the replaced model no change.   

Aircraft gets off the ground, but only after it leaves the runway, noticed when I rolled around the aircraft external views that the nose wheel is ever so slightly off the ground after takeoff roll.  But it appears to be at a glance that the aircraft is rolling too slowly during takeoff, not a huge reduction in speed but noticeable. 

JH

Tested the aircraft with a thrust_scalar=0.5 and the aircraft then lifts off on the runway. 

I'm only saying that its working for me

JH
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on April 04, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
A little question.. i´m now "retrofit" my AI planes with your FDE sets.. why the E170/175/190/195 have template of :

// FDE Template TwinEngineCommercialJetTailEngines
// FDE Design   Jan Martin
// FDE Version  v6acof

JetTailEngines, looks like F100, 727, ERJ145.. and E170/175/190/195 have under wings engines.. the horizontal stabilizer position and engine positions are correct for these planes? The main reason for this question is a tweak from flusi-fix, for put smoke on old jets :)

I´ve retrofit the AIA EMB120, E170, E175, E190, E195, F100.. all ok, but the reverse now open a little in E-Jets and close quickly.. and in F100 not open..

Many tks by great work!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 05, 2015, 08:48:53 AM
// FDE Template TwinEngineCommercialJetTailEngines
I've used this template for E190/E195, the engine positions have been adjusted for proper contrails
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on April 05, 2015, 09:18:19 AM
the reverse now open a little in E-Jets and close quickly.. and in F100 not open..
Have checked AIA F70/100 and AIA 190/195, reversers work as they should in my test lab; I might be wrong, but as far as I know the AIA 170/175 don't have visible reversers.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on April 05, 2015, 02:21:33 PM
Hello Jan
I hope next FDE for FAIB 747-XXX too.

Gesendet von meinem SM-G900F mit Tapatalk

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on April 05, 2015, 11:34:21 PM
the reverse now open a little in E-Jets and close quickly.. and in F100 not open..
Have checked AIA F70/100 and AIA 190/195, reversers work as they should in my test lab; I might be wrong, but as far as I know the AIA 170/175 don't have visible reversers.

E175 i´m don´t check, but the F100 inoperative.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dimon on April 25, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
Folks,

From where the latest set of FDEs could be downloaded?

Thanks
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on April 25, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg173124#msg173124
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dimon on April 25, 2015, 09:00:32 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: HAM1056ASV on May 15, 2015, 03:44:44 PM
Yet another great Thing I did not know about until coming here. Now them Aircraft vacate the Runways much faster which helps alot on them big and busy Airports! Thanks

(Now if only there would be a Possibility for FS9 ATC to have you Line up whilst landing Aircraft is still on the Runway and it would be awesome)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Atlandrew on May 22, 2015, 02:03:45 PM
Is anyone having trouble downloading the FDE Files? I get invalid zip file every time. Maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: lrog on May 22, 2015, 02:21:20 PM
Just d/l to check and its fine with me !!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Atlandrew on May 24, 2015, 06:52:07 AM
Interesting; I have tried with different computers and browsers and cannot open the ZIP once downloaded. Well, at least I know it's on my end I guess.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Firebird on May 24, 2015, 09:04:22 PM
Two things that I have come across that can cause these sorts of issues are download accelerators and proxy servers.
If you use either one of these try disabling them and retrying.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jackralston on July 02, 2015, 06:18:45 PM
Sorry if this has already been discussed but has anyone got issues with the UTT 787 model when using the v6 FDE? Mine rotates and struggles to climb, then levels a bit then starts climbing again. Also seems to land short numerous times if I have use AI Smooth/AI Sep combined.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Glyde on August 02, 2015, 04:26:42 AM
Hello,

I just today decided to start installing these FDE's. I did some searching around to answer some questions I had to better understand the installation process to ensure everything works smoothly, but I still have some questions.

1) To install the aircraft.cfg, I just overwrite all the data below the fltsim entries? Or should I leave some data in? I have backed up all appropriate files.
2) Can I rename the AIR file in each folder to make the process easier? Or does it need to stay the same file name as Jan made it?
3) Is there anything else I should know that's easy to miss? I know it's a stupid question but when tweaking models I want to make sure I'm doing everything right.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dinga69 on August 02, 2015, 06:01:08 AM
1) Yes, overwrite all the data, if you're using bog standard config files. If you're using Shockwave lights, however, these will need to be left in and Jans entries edited out(Use // so FS ignores as opposed to deleting them)
2) Yes, you can rename the .air files
3) The .air files have the aircraft set to show in the FS menus - Entry no 105 Aircraft type=0, change this to Aircraft Type=2 in each .air file,

Hope this helps and good luck!!!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Glyde on August 02, 2015, 05:17:44 PM
Thank you very much, that sure does help!  ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on August 03, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Please make Jan FDE to FAIB B747-8 and B747-400 FSX, too! Pls Pls...
 ::urgent::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on August 03, 2015, 10:15:54 PM
Please make Jan FDE to FAIB B747-8 and B747-400 FSX, too! Pls Pls..
 ::urgent::
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Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on August 23, 2015, 07:30:02 PM
Please make Jan FDE to FAIB B747-8 and B747-400 FSX, too!
What I can say for now is; I'm not inactive, but it takes time. I travelled a lot this 'summer', became a frequent flyer again, and progress in my FDE workshop is made little by little. The 'v6 Pre Release' needed some additional adjustments, I found. Apart of solving that evil 'toe_brakes_scale' issue, for which I can only apologize, I managed to reduce final approach / touchdown speeds down to 135 / 125kts for narrowbodies, and 145 / 130kts for widebodies. These parameters are really maxed out now, and will make the AI experience more realistic. The 250kts below 10000ft rule also required work for some models. So, everything takes it's time ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on August 27, 2015, 06:27:17 PM
Jan's Websites (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/flightsim) is back online again ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on August 27, 2015, 08:07:57 PM
Jan's Websites is back online again .

Good sign, congratz!
Title: FDE's Version 6 BETA
Post by: Jan Martin on September 01, 2015, 08:40:36 PM
Hi Folks!
 
Attached is the BETA of 89 first v6acof FDE sets; including Boeing / MDD / Airbus / Bombardier.
 
If no changes will be necessary, these sets will later become regular v6acof FDE sets automatically.
In that case we won't need to update from BETA to official release at all.
 
The initial v6acof post is here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.345), and find flight characteristics at AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v6acof.html).
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on September 02, 2015, 07:53:36 AM
Thanks for Beta FDE Jan,
Important for FAIB B744/F and B748/F
model NWF of FAIB B747-400:
[Lights]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.1=3,  -46.60, -103.20,  6.65, fx_navredh ,
light.2=3,  -46.60,  103.20,  6.65, fx_navgreh ,
light.3=2,  -45.90, -103.00,  6.65, fx_strobeh ,
light.4=2,  -45.90,  103.00,  6.65, fx_strobeh ,
light.5=3, -119.95,    0.00, 10.35, fx_navwhih ,
light.6=2, -119.35,    0.00,  9.40, fx_strobeh ,
light.7=1,   64.80,    0.00, 19.05, fx_beaconh ,
light.8=1,   16.00,    0.00, -7.75, fx_beaconb ,

but other model WF of B747-400:
[Lights]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
//light.1=3,  -46.60, -103.20,  6.65, fx_navredh ,
//light.2=3,  -46.60,  103.20,  6.65, fx_navgreh ,
//light.3=2,  -45.90, -103.00,  6.65, fx_strobeh ,
//light.4=2,  -45.90,  103.00,  6.65, fx_strobeh ,
light.1=3, -119.95,    0.00, 10.35, fx_navwhih ,
light.2=2, -119.35,    0.00,  9.40, fx_strobeh ,
light.3=1,   64.80,    0.00, 19.05, fx_beaconh ,
light.4=1,   16.00,    0.00, -7.75, fx_beaconb ,

All right..!!

Sebi
Title: Re: FDE's Version 6 BETA
Post by: regan123 on September 02, 2015, 05:31:03 PM
Hi Folks!
 
If no changes will be necessary, these sets will later become regular v6acof FDE sets automatically.
In that case we won't need to update from BETA to official release at all.
 

Hi Jan,

Have there been any changes since the initial v6 set you attached previously or is it just the addition of the FAIB 747 models?

Thanks
Title: Re: FDE's Version 6 BETA
Post by: Jan Martin on September 02, 2015, 07:21:49 PM
Have there been any changes since the initial v6 set you attached previously

The BETA is a further development of the 'v6 Pre Release', as previously mentioned in this post (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg216493#msg216493)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: miwe on September 02, 2015, 07:52:49 PM
Hi Jan,

first thank you for your terrific work. It must be a hard job to do this for all these different models.

One question from me: Are you able to solve the problem with the brakes, which occurs to aircrafts queing in the line?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on September 02, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
Great work Jan thanks a lot for it!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 02, 2015, 08:10:04 PM
Are you able to solve the problem with the brakes, which occurs to aircrafts queing in the line?

This problem has been solved with the BETA  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: miwe on September 02, 2015, 08:17:08 PM
 ::cheers:: Chapeau, Jan!!!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on September 10, 2015, 12:17:52 PM
I have a question regarding the lights for the FAIB 747-400F:

For the FAIB release, the [LIGHTS] section reads:

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing   
// FAIB B747-400 Lights               
light.1 = 3, -203.3,    0.00,   10.35, fx_navwhi
light.2 = 1,  -18.7,    0.00,  19.0, fx_beacon
light.3 = 1,  -67.5,    0.00, -7.66, fx_beacon
light.4 = 3, -130.1, -103.2, 6.65, fx_navred
light.5 = 3, -130.1,  103.2, 6.65, fx_navgre
light.6 = 2, -129.4, -103.0, 6.65, fx_strobe
light.7 = 2, -129.4,  103.0, 6.65, fx_strobe
light.8 = 2, -202.7,    0.00,  9.4, fx_strobe
//If you have Shockwave lights you can enable them by removing the "//" from the beginings of the next lines
//light.9 = 5, -65.05, 18.45, -0.6,  fx_Shockwave_landing_light_747_rw
//light.10 = 5, -65.05, -18.45, -0.6,  fx_Shockwave_landing_light_747_lw


But, in the revised Beta v6 set from Jan, they are:

[Lights]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.1=3,  -46.60, -103.20,  6.65, fx_navredh ,
light.2=3,  -46.60,  103.20,  6.65, fx_navgreh ,
light.3=2,  -45.90, -103.00,  6.65, fx_strobeh ,
light.4=2,  -45.90,  103.00,  6.65, fx_strobeh ,
light.5=3, -119.95,    0.00, 10.35, fx_navwhih ,
light.6=2, -119.35,    0.00,  9.40, fx_strobeh ,
light.7=1,   64.80,    0.00, 19.05, fx_beaconh ,
light.8=1,   16.00,    0.00, -7.75, fx_beaconb ,


Notwithstanding the Shockwave lights, it appears that the lights are in a different position in Jan's FDE vs the FAIB release.    Which is correct?   

Steve Lewis

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 10, 2015, 03:11:37 PM
Steve,
 
both the FDE sets are correct, until someone points me to a really misplaced light, but: I always set the 'reference_datum_position' to zero, for FSX users and in order to ease the installation of Shockwave Lights for their users, I personally don't use them, btw. So, just don't worry ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on September 10, 2015, 03:13:55 PM
Thanks for the reply, Jan.    I haven't noticed any difference in FSX -- as I haven't actually looked.   ::ashamed::   I use the Shockwave lights but find them a bit bright.

Steve
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: PupOK on September 11, 2015, 10:14:12 PM
Unfortunately I still have A32X collision problem during taxi with the new FDE :(
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 12, 2015, 08:41:13 AM
Unfortunately I still have A32X collision problem during taxi with the new FDE :(
Just doing a DoctorHouse ..
 
Only A320 series?
Did you check the 'toe_brakes_scale' in the 'aircraft.cfg' files to bet set to '0.1'
FS9 or FSX?
Do you use any AI manipulating programs?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: PupOK on September 12, 2015, 10:24:57 AM
Unfortunately I still have A32X collision problem during taxi with the new FDE :(
Just doing a DoctorHouse .
 
Only A320 series?
Did you check the 'toe_brakes_scale' in the 'aircraft.cfg' files to bet set to '0.1'
FS9 or FSX?
Do you use any AI manipulating programs?
Only 32X
FS9
Fs9 configurator: taxi speed set for 30.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Ronaldo747 on September 12, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
Fs9 configurator: taxi speed set for 30.

This is the cause. You have to set it back to the standard setting.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on September 13, 2015, 12:50:08 AM
Jan,

Very good.. but i´ve two points..

1. In next time, you can think but the "exit positions" for the jetways?
2. Im use taxispeed increase (flusifix) in FSX.. the toe brakes can be still 0.1 or i will increase this number?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 13, 2015, 07:04:13 AM
Fs9 configurator: taxi speed set for 30.

This is the cause. You have to set it back to the standard setting.
Thank you! . Or the user may try a lower taxi speed .
 
1. In next time, you can think but the "exit positions" for the jetways?
There won't be a 'next time', since v6acof will be the last version.
 
2. Im use taxispeed increase (flusifix) in FSX.. the toe brakes can be still 0.1 or i will increase this number?
Unfortunately I cannot help you with this issue, since I neither use FSX nor any AI manipulating programs.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: zuki on September 13, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
i'm using taxi speed 30 and set toe_brakes_scale to 0.5
works fine for me
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: PupOK on September 13, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
Thanks all of you. Will try all mentioned ways.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: kickers on September 16, 2015, 04:28:14 PM
Hi Jan,


thanx for your fantastic work .. I have only one question, you wrote the following:

 "reduce final approach / touchdown speeds down to 135 / 125kts for narrowbodies, and 145 / 130kts for widebodies"

I changed all my FAIB 737 with your FDE and figured out, tht the approach speed is nearly 115 to 125. Belongs to the distance of thresshold. What could be the reason, that i didn´t see a 130 and above during final ? I´am using P3D 2.5 with the FS 9 AI Aircraft .. ( to save disk space, using only SSD - the FSX DDS file format is much bigger, so does this impact the memory in any case ? )

Is there no way to adjust the taxi speed in P3D ?

thanx and greets

kickers

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 16, 2015, 04:48:34 PM
Is there no way to adjust the taxi speed in P3D
Sorry, I cannot tell you anything about P3D or FSX, I'm using FS9.
 
I changed all my FAIB 737 with your FDE and figured out, tht the approach speed is nearly 115 to 125
IAS or speed over ground?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: kickers on September 16, 2015, 05:32:38 PM
Is there no way to adjust the taxi speed in P3D
Sorry, I cannot tell you anything about P3D or FSX, I'm using FS9.
 
I changed all my FAIB 737 with your FDE and figured out, tht the approach speed is nearly 115 to 125
IAS or speed over ground?

IAS !
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on September 16, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
I'm having the same problem with approach speed being a bit low on my 737NG's
Also in P3D, not really sure what to do to correct it but i'm tweaking some parameter's Jan led me to.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: kickers on September 17, 2015, 03:39:44 PM
Hi Bogga,


which parameters exactly ? Have you got a change of speed after improving ?

Nevertheless, the FAIB A 320 and other narrow bodies are excellent !  ::party:: espacially the 250 under Level 100 !!! Yeah .. THANX a LOT JAN !


greets kickers
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on September 18, 2015, 02:45:11 AM
Jan,

THANKS A LOT! Now my traffic is more realistic, less go arounds, because the planes do approach in correct speeds (below FL100 in 250 IAS), Vref realistics etc.. very very good!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Bogga on September 18, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
Hi Bogga,


which parameters exactly ? Have you got a change of speed after improving ?

Nevertheless, the FAIB A 320 and other narrow bodies are excellent !  ::party:: espacially the 250 under Level 100 !!! Yeah . THANX a LOT JAN !


greets kickers

He led me to his site and AI FDE Settings  -  Changes & Results:  http://janswebsites.altervista.org/fde/ai-aircraft-fde-settings.html
I'm trying to figure out a few but didn't start tweaking yet.
drag_scalar may be one in the aircraft cfg file
Cd_df Drag Coefficient - Flaps and Cdg Drag Coefficient - Landing Gear in the air file section, but couldn't find a 1101 (using hex editor)
May be someone else could help us with the NG's in P3D.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on September 27, 2015, 10:17:42 PM
Jan,

Two questions..

- I can "merge" the your B722AIA to B721AIA to get same results (vrefs, 250 ias bellow FL100, etc?)
- The EMB120 taxing and run on taxiways or runways "beating wings", swings wing left up, wing right down and inverse.. this fact happen only on ground..

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on September 28, 2015, 10:45:48 AM
I can "merge" the your B722AIA to B721AIA to get same results (vrefs, 250 ias bellow FL100, etc?)
B722AIA and B721AIA must be kept in separate folders, different weights / length etc
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: MKY661 on November 18, 2015, 04:30:55 PM
Thanks as Always Jan. Just wondering if the AIA Embraers were included in V6? I couldn't find them :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on November 18, 2015, 08:23:42 PM
the AIA Embraters
. got stuck in a pipeline  ;)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: MKY661 on November 18, 2015, 08:29:56 PM
OOps just noticed Typo, sorry :D
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Glyde on November 21, 2015, 05:57:20 AM
EDIT - found the answer on the last page. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Title: FDE's Version 6 BETA
Post by: Jan Martin on December 22, 2015, 01:56:44 PM
Hi Folks!
 
Attached is the BETA of another 46 v6acof FDE sets; finally finishing all sets from the 'Pre Release' of 2013.
 
If no changes will be necessary, these sets will later become regular v6acof FDE sets automatically.
In that case we won't need to update from BETA to official release at all.
 
The initial v6acof post is here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.345), the first BETA package can be found here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg217169#msg217169), and find flight characteristics at AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v6acof.html).
 
Please note the 4 critical updates for the first BETA package, there was an error appearing under high altitude airfield conditions:
DJC A321
FAIB A321
FAIB A321S
UTT MD11
 
With this 2nd BETA, I've worked out 6 AltiPlano derivatives again, this time for modern FAIB models;
they can be used for approaching airports situated in deep valleys; you would need them for my 'Himalaya Airports' scenery (which is undergoing a major and very extensive renovation),
or you can just use them for STOL purposes:
FAIB A319 AltiPlano
FAIB A319S AltiPlano
FAIB A320 AltiPlano
FAIB A320S AltiPlano
FAIB B737W AltiPlano
FAIB B738W AltiPlano
 
Of course, this package contains 2 new models:
FSP A350-900
NAAI F50
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on December 22, 2015, 02:10:24 PM
Very Big thanks
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dave YVRATC on December 22, 2015, 03:32:13 PM
 Awesome Jan, thank you!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regulate on December 22, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
Amazing work.   ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: rke on December 22, 2015, 05:49:57 PM
Many thanks, especially for the AltiPlano updates. I've missed seeing AI aircraft attempt the approach to Paro ;D
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Kaiii3 on December 23, 2015, 01:35:33 PM
thanks Jan for the update ::cheers::
Title: Re: FDE's Version 6 BETA
Post by: SteveLewis on December 26, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
Hi Folks!
 
Attached is the BETA of another 46 v6acof FDE sets; finally finishing all sets from the 'Pre Release' of 2013.
 
If no changes will be necessary, these sets will later become regular v6acof FDE sets automatically.
In that case we won't need to update from BETA to official release at all.
 
The initial v6acof post is here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.345), the first BETA package can be found here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg217169#msg217169), and find flight characteristics at AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v6acof.html).
 
Please note the 4 critical updates for the first BETA package, there was an error appearing under high altitude airfield conditions:
DJC A321
FAIB A321
FAIB A321S
UTT MD11
 
With this 2nd BETA, I've worked out 6 AltiPlano derivatives again, this time for modern FAIB models;
they can be used for approaching airports situated in deep valleys; you would need them for my 'Himalaya Airports' scenery (which is undergoing a major and very extensive renovation),
or you can just use them for STOL purposes:
FAIB A319 AltiPlano
FAIB A319S AltiPlano
FAIB A320 AltiPlano
FAIB A320S AltiPlano
FAIB B737W AltiPlano
FAIB B738W AltiPlano
 
Of course, this package contains 2 new models:
FSP A350-900
NAAI F50

Jan,
      I'm a bit confused here.   ::goofy::    Should I copy over and replace the pre-release with beta 1 and then copy over and replace with beta 2 to get the final issue?

Steve
Title: Re: FDE's Version 6 BETA
Post by: Jan Martin on December 28, 2015, 09:02:06 AM
I'm a bit confused here.
Just make sure you have installed Beta Package 1 and Beta Package 2
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: SteveLewis on December 28, 2015, 01:14:33 PM
OK, so I added beta 2 to beta 1 and that's the final?    128 in total? 

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jhaley101 on December 28, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
Sorry, I'm not clear either. 

I already have installed the original Beta 1, some time ago. 

So now I install every aircraft from beta 2, regardless of whatever I installed from Beta 1?

John

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 29, 2015, 07:57:42 AM
I already have installed the original Beta 1, some time ago.
readytogo
So now I install every aircraft from beta 2, regardless of whatever I installed from Beta 1?
readytogo
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: TopGun on December 29, 2015, 08:59:56 PM
Took me roughly one hour to update everything from scratch, looking very good so far, thank you so much Jan !
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: BaiterOne on December 29, 2015, 09:54:57 PM
I started implementing Beta 1 on 13th November and I haven't half finished it yet!  :(

Slow tedious work for me, but worth it in the end, if I ever reach that!

I might start putting in Beta 2 midway through 2016 at the rate I am going.  :)

I highly appreciate the massive effort that goes in to creating these improved .air and .cfg files.

Walter

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hgschnell on December 30, 2015, 07:10:04 AM
These FDE sets cry for an update program!

I wonder why nobody of our famous programmers created it?

Perhaps the most difficult work is to identify AI folder and "non AI" folder?
A list of about 130 .air files could do it?

The rest is replacing the "sim=" and all lines besides the [flightsim.xx] sections..

then copy the new .air files into the folders.

What do you think about it, Don?
 :stirpot:
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 30, 2015, 09:20:27 AM
These FDE sets cry for an update program! I wonder why nobody of our famous programmers created it?
The demand for AI FDE sets is low, the community is getting smaller and smaller; and finally, the FDE v6acof is due to be the last version. And, there are always people who would never trust such programs, like me, for example; though a good idea ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on December 31, 2015, 11:21:08 AM
Anyone else noticing the flaps aren't down for take off on some of the models. On the OSP ATR 72 when I have added the new FDE set, the flaps don't come down for take off. They seem to come down after take off just before the landing gear is retracted but as soon as the AI turns the flaps are retracted again.
Any ideas how to solve it?? Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 31, 2015, 08:55:34 PM
Anyone else noticing the flaps aren't down for take off on some of the models.
In FS9 ? However, I don't know any procedure to influence this behavior of animated flaps at take off. Even my influence on XML flaps on approach is limited. XML issues are usually a part of the model file, and this can be changed by the model designer only, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on December 31, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
Might you try out the Beluga Jan?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hgschnell on December 31, 2015, 09:44:06 PM
Might you try out the Beluga Jan?

And on the other coast the dreamlifter?

 ::cheers::
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hgschnell on December 31, 2015, 09:54:39 PM
Anyone else noticing the flaps aren't down for take off on some of the models.
In FS9 ? However, I don't know any procedure to influence this behavior of animated flaps at take off. Even my influence on XML flaps on approach is limited. XML issues are usually a part of the model file, and this can be changed by the model designer only, as far as I know.

A very experienced aircraft designer told me that flaps at take off are only an "eye candy" forced by the models animation frames and have no influence to the flight dynamics (FDE).

There is no way to change it without the model designers source code.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Per Ardua Ad Ars on December 31, 2015, 10:56:50 PM
Takeoff flaps and other non-standard animations are done using XML which is encoded into the model when it is compiled. The XML allows a limited amount of control over events since it allows the model to "see" what is happening to it in very rudimentary ways (what speed it is moving, whether it is on the ground or not, whether the gear is raised or not, whether the engine(s) are running or not). This means that the model can be persuaded to do things beyond the basic AI programming that is handled by the sim, such as lower the flaps prior to takeoff rather than only on an approach.

The FDE interacts with this because a change in an FDE can (for example) alter the speeds of an aircraft and change the points at which flaps events take place. For example if the flaps are told by XML to retract at 200 knots and the FDE adds thrust and lowers weight, the aircraft will accelerate more rapidly and reach that 200 knots sooner than before on departure, so the flaps will appear to raise on the initial climbout rather than as the a/c enters its first turn after departure (or something like that). Same happens on approach, the flaps will begin deploying based on speeds the aircraft is attaining as it slows for final, and a lot of that is controlled by the FDE.

But the comment about the animations being eye candy alone is right, there is no real-world interaction between what the aircraft looks as though it is doing, and what the FDE is making the plane do. A good FDE and animation can at best synchronise themselves so that the animation does the right thing at the right time. You could model a house brick with retractable castors and a set of flapping wings (with no trailing edge devices) and the FDE will still make it behave as thought it was a typical aircraft.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on December 31, 2015, 11:08:40 PM
I'm using FSX

Anyone else noticing the flaps aren't down for take off on some of the models.
In FS9 ? However, I don't know any procedure to influence this behavior of animated flaps at take off. Even my influence on XML flaps on approach is limited. XML issues are usually a part of the model file, and this can be changed by the model designer only, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 01, 2016, 05:29:31 PM
Takeoff flaps and other non-standard animations are done using XML . . .
Thank you for this very detailed explanation !
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 01, 2016, 05:36:38 PM
I'm using FSX
The readme for the ATR 72-210 for example says:
Quote
XML coded flaps for landing and take-off will be included in future model updates
And as far as I know, that future model(s) does not exist at all . . .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regulate on January 01, 2016, 07:38:28 PM
Jan,

I have all of my FAIB A320's (non-sharklet and sharklet) in the same folder entitled FAIB A320.  Will this cause a problem using the FDE for the A320 with both the sharklet and non-sharklet version?  Or will I need to separate the models for the proper effect? 


Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 01, 2016, 08:06:15 PM
I have all of my FAIB A320's (non-sharklet and sharklet) in the same folder entitled FAIB A320.
notready
If I provide the sets in different folders, you should arrange it accordingly, too; in this case because of different lights positions and wingspan . . .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on January 01, 2016, 09:40:48 PM
Very nice.. but im still have troubles with EMB120 AIA new FDE.. the plane always shaking in the ground, during taxi and take-off.. shake is wing up and down in both sides.. with 5ft average of movement

* If possible think about AIA B721?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: regulate on January 01, 2016, 10:51:01 PM
I have all of my FAIB A320's (non-sharklet and sharklet) in the same folder entitled FAIB A320.
notready
If I provide the sets in different folders, you should arrange it accordingly, too; in this case because of different lights positions and wingspan . . .

That's what I figured.  Looks like I have some work to do.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Grindstein on January 03, 2016, 12:03:47 AM
Jan, i think TFS boeing 777-300ER need some more work. That plane are not able to preform a go around. Nose go up, speed down, and the plan crash to the ground with no gear out. Speed on finel go between 145 to 130KT and up to 145 back down to 130 and continue down to 112 kt (the last min befor crash) at the moment the plane crash to the ground.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: delta64heavy on January 03, 2016, 02:22:56 AM
Can the FDEs for the Winglet 738/739s be used with Split Scimitar 738/739s?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 03, 2016, 01:26:05 PM
Can the FDEs for the Winglet 738/739s be used with Split Scimitar 738/739s?
Model variants 'Split Scimitars' and 'Winglets' can be kept in one folder.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 03, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
That plane are not able to preform a go around.
What was the airfield altitude?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Grindstein on January 03, 2016, 02:18:27 PM
I have see this problem at ENGM and OMDB. ENGM are 680 ft and OMDB are 62 ft
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on January 03, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
I have see this problem at . . . 680 ft and . . . 62 ft
Shouldn't happen at such low altitudes; remembering that I'm FS2004.
 
However A: the cause for some AI aircraft equipped with my FDE sets is very likely the final approach speed.
 
However B: a while after starting a situation in FS, the number of go arounds will decrease significantly, or even zero out; the AI traffic then flows because of the tweaked approach speeds.

However C: my FDE sets are designed to make AI aircraft fly as realistic as possible; if then the AI engine creates situations that would lead to crashes in real world - and we all know that the AI engine loves to create such situations, masses of go arounds are amongst the favourites of the AI engine for example - we will see crashes. The way the AI engine handles go arounds is very strange: AI aircraft retract flaps fully and go into a sharp curve while they are still over the runway. As far as I know, this has nothing to do with real world procedures.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Grindstein on January 03, 2016, 03:52:24 PM
Quote
However B: a while after starting a situation in FS, the number of go arounds will decrease significantly, or even zero out; the AI traffic then flows because of the tweaked approach speeds.

I think you have good point here Jan. I have made som new test at OMDB today, some are the bigest 777 hub in the world. This problem happend only the first 20  min after i start the simulator, later all planes land normaly, and no go around situation aper at all. A dam good job you have done here Jan. Thank you for this nice job and suport you have give to the user of this files. My Ai world is betther then even befor becouse of this updates.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hgschnell on January 30, 2016, 09:52:25 AM
I have some aircrafts of Evolve AI (A319, A320, A321, A300, DC-10, ERJ145).

Can I use the DJC FDEs?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hand on January 30, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
@hgschnell

search for Jan Martin ´s  FDE´s

he has made some FDE´s for many models and they works very well ;)

#edit1   here on the AIG forums ;)

with best regards

Hendrik Klon alias *HAND*
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hgschnell on January 30, 2016, 10:21:27 AM
I was imprecise.

I am installing Jan's FDEs, but I couldn't find EVolve AIs..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Konkorol on January 30, 2016, 11:38:43 AM
Use DJC.. EvAI and DJC are the same - more or less.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on January 31, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
As someone mentioned before i too have the 777s failing to go around and instead smash into the runway and then in some cases become stuck, the shots added show a Jet Airways 777 at Heathrow that failed to go around due to a BA A320 not vacating quick enough, the gear on the 777 went up but the plane belly flopped, bounced and then sat in the middle of the runway (circled red)..nothing after could land...then another 777 turned up and did the same thing but instead of sitting submerged in the runway it bounced and then continued on a very slow accent and go round..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Kickers1901 on February 09, 2016, 12:31:38 AM
Hi Simmers,


I have problems to get the FAIB 747-400 and 747-800 to land !!!

The behavior is not normal. They are descending to round about 1500 feet. After a short while, they are climbing to 2000 feet. Then they are descending very slow and 3 miles out they are at about 1800 feet. the VS is very low and over the runway they have an altitude of 1300 feet and have to go around due to height !

Has anybody an idea what the reason could be ???

Greet Kickers



Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Kickers1901 on February 09, 2016, 10:03:55 AM
Hi,


for test reasons, I turned back to Erez original fde and the 747 in all variations do a perfect landing. The issue seems to be in the changed fde files ?!

greets Kickers

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 09, 2016, 10:52:52 AM
Please guys, do me a favor, before you ask, try to find out whether you see the same behaviour at other airports, too; please don't complain about 'errors' that occur within the first 15 minutes after starting a situation in the sim, and please, also keep in mind that I'm FS9; I therefore cannot reproduce sitiuations from FSX or whatever other sims. Thank you, and please don't get me wrong with this; I'm open for your suggestions furthermore . . .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Kickers1901 on February 09, 2016, 12:44:37 PM
Hi Jan,


thanx for your quick answer. I guess I didn´t complain. I only wrote about an issue I have. And believe me, I tested it for hours and at different airports ! Always the same situation like described. I am not a newbie in AI and therefore I know very good, that the trouble in the first 15 to 30 minutes is a normal case.

I only wanted to know, if anyone else have the same problems. I am using P3D with all my Aircraft from the FS9. Just for information. And that works great. I am using all your fde´s, but the ssue is only with the Faib 747 in all variations.

I am very glad and would like to thank you for your hard work. Great stuff !!

greets Kickers


Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 12, 2016, 12:19:55 PM
I have problems to get the FAIB 747-400 and 747-800 to land !!!
I did some spotting today, and at different locations I cannot get your problem reproduced in my FS9, every FAIB jumbo descended and landed as it should . . .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on February 12, 2016, 03:24:23 PM
Hello Jan,

I look FDE of "fde-set-v5acof+v5acofadv.zip", i request, FSP MD11 (reboot) work Jan fspmd11v5acofadv??
or news fde update??
Sebastian
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bradley27 on February 12, 2016, 04:04:12 PM
Keen bean...its only just come out
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: hgschnell on March 01, 2016, 02:02:17 PM
Is there a FDE of Jan for the new FAIB 747SP ?

at least the tail strobe position should be corrected:

light.8 = 2, -171.4,    0.00,  6.7, fx_strobe



Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Kickers1901 on March 26, 2016, 04:31:18 PM
Hello Jan,
Hello Simmers,


which parameter is responsible for the taxi procedure of the AI planes ? I installed the newest FDE for the OSP ATR´s and they are all showing a strange taxiing behaviour ! See attached JPG.

They are pushing and then starting a huge turn to reach the taxi path. This taxi path will be also overshotted ?!

Any suggestions ?

Thanx and greets Klaus

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: uni edds on March 26, 2016, 05:38:58 PM
Hi Klaus,

this has nothing to do with the FDE's. This is because of the AI-engine. As far as I know, there is nothing we can do against this.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Kickers1901 on March 26, 2016, 06:02:25 PM
Hi,


but when I restore the original OSP FDE´s, this strange behaviour will not appear. So, for me, it looks like, that the reason mihgt be the changed FDE ?! I know, that the two files ( aircraft.cfg and the air file ) are staying in relationship, and you always have to take this two files for using alternate and tweaked FDE´s...

I also saw, that the roll out speed of the ATR with the beta 2 is 40 kts ! That´s great ! Is it hard to change this parameter, whereever it has to be changed ?!

Last but not least, the nav lights and all other lights are not in the correct position with beta 2 .. Is it possible to fix this easily with any helpful tools ? The position coordinates are dependng on the reference_datum_position or the empty_weight_CG_position. I´am not sure.

Greets Klaus

 

Klaus

Title: v6acof UTT B787-900 FDE set
Post by: Jan Martin on July 24, 2016, 09:54:49 PM
attached: v6acof UTT B787-900 FDE set
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: EDDT-Sebi on July 24, 2016, 10:11:09 PM
Why not to FSP B787-x too?


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Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dominato83 on July 25, 2016, 12:53:57 AM
Why not to FSP B787-x too?


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I'd assume because Jan uses FS9 and the FSP 787 is FSX only for freeware.
Title: Re: v6acof UTT B787-900 FDE set
Post by: kramaxa on July 25, 2016, 01:57:12 AM
attached: v6acof UTT B787-900 FDE set
I looked and test your file
Base package will be updated with Your FDE set
Thank You Jan.
Title: Re: v6acof UTT B787-900 FDE set
Post by: Jan Martin on July 25, 2016, 06:50:14 AM
Base package will be updated with Your FDE set
Thank You Jan.
I would prefer to be asked about it first . . .
Title: Re: v6acof UTT B787-900 FDE set
Post by: kramaxa on July 25, 2016, 12:18:17 PM
Base package will be updated with Your FDE set
Thank You Jan.
I would prefer to be asked about it first . . .
You right. Sorry
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: gamer9678 on July 27, 2016, 09:50:36 PM
If I'm using something like Super Traffic Board which extends flaps during taxi and takeoff will that have an effect on AI performance? I know that takeoff flaps are usually "faked" by the model but I believe STB actually makes the flaps extend both on the model and from the simulator's perspective. I suppose this question applies to both Jan's and the standard FDEs.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on October 06, 2016, 07:34:09 PM
My Flightsim (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/flightsim/index.html) website meanwhile exists for 14 years, and now, the main navigation page has been optimized for computer screens a n d mobile devices like smartphones and tablets. Subpages haven't changed due to the big tables, but everything is availabe as PDF version as well now. Pages 'FDEs (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/fde/index.html)' and 'Downloads (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/downloads/index.html)' have been incorporated with the main page, new content has not been added with this website-update, btw.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: gerdahahn on January 15, 2017, 05:48:34 PM
Hello Jan,

huge thanks for your work over all the years.. your FDE's are getting really good now! (perfect contact points, for instance)

keep going on!

cheers, gerdahahn
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hamlet69 on January 31, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
I am finally taking the time to go through and install these FDE's.  Started with the FAIB 747-400 since the original FDE from Erez had the aircraft coming in very 'hot' compared to anything else in the sim.

I do have a question, however - for FSX, the lights are completely misaligned with the new FDE.  In order to try and fix this, I went back and replaced just the [lights] settings from the original, which corrected the wing lights.  But the fuselage lights are still no where near the aircraft.  Does anyone know what is causing this?  Jan, I know you only use FS9, but thought you might have some ideas.

Thanks!

Mike
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: PH-MCR on January 31, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
I am glad you mention it: http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=24606.0

Scroll down to see my screenshot. Looks familiar?

Menno
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hamlet69 on January 31, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
Hahaha!  Yup, looks similar indeed.  Although as I said, the wing lights are fine once I went back to Erez's original settings.  However, the fuselage navigation lights (top, bottom and tail) are way off.  Glad I am not the only one who has the same problem.

Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on February 01, 2017, 04:23:21 PM
Yes, regarding to the picture in the other topic, this is because I have all 'reference_datum_position' set to zero for FSX- and 'Shockwave Lights' users (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.345), or you might have used the wrong FDE set for a model . . .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: PH-MCR on February 02, 2017, 12:21:45 PM
That worked, I copied Erez' original FDE back into the aircraft.cfg and that solved the trailing lights.

Could not figure out which part I actually needed to replace. Trying to figure that out lead to the aircraft not being loaded at all...


Menno
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Hamlet69 on February 06, 2017, 05:28:54 PM
Jan,

For my own Sim, I have come up with new Shockwave lights and Exits contact points for us FSX users.  With your permission, I would like to post them here in case any other users would like to use them?

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: DHC8 on June 19, 2017, 03:12:46 PM
Jan, I just looked at your fde file, and noticed no C208 or any small cessnas. I use Henry's C208 with a lot of smaller cargo feeders. Do you have an updated FDE for that? As well as the HTAI models of other Cessnas possibly?

This table (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html) shows all the models I've designed FDE sets for, with the latest availabe version and model designer information ;)

I clicked on the link but no info on this table, plus I too have been looking for an updated C208B FDE for some time now. Sucks seeing C208B's landing at Saint Barths and seeing them backtracking on the beach and not the runway :(

Anyone can help out with this?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: MNorm757 on June 19, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Jan, I just looked at your fde file, and noticed no C208 or any small cessnas. I use Henry's C208 with a lot of smaller cargo feeders. Do you have an updated FDE for that? As well as the HTAI models of other Cessnas possibly?

This table (http://janswebsites.ja.funpic.de/fde/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v5acof.html) shows all the models I've designed FDE sets for, with the latest availabe version and model designer information ;)

I clicked on the link but no info on this table, plus I too have been looking for an updated C208B FDE for some time now. Sucks seeing C208B's landing at Saint Barths and seeing them backtracking on the beach and not the runway :(

Anyone can help out with this?

Increase the toe brake scaler in the aircraft.cfg until you get the desired results.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: DHC8 on June 19, 2017, 04:41:44 PM
Ow Ok, I'll give it a try, thanks
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jackralston on July 07, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
If possible, requesting an FDE set for Camil Valiquette's Camsim CS100 and CS300. Good use as AI aircraft  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: DHC8 on July 15, 2017, 12:28:35 PM
Hello everyone,

Just updated my FSX aircraft with some of these FDE's but I noticed, especially on the FAIB 737 that the pushback truck doesnt push the aircraft back at the main gears but slightly more under the fuselage which makes it look very unrealistic

Any idea why or what is diffenrent?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on July 22, 2017, 10:03:20 PM
Any idea why or what is diffenrent?
The FDE's were made for FS9 ACOF, haven't been tested by me on any other sim like FSX P3D and whatsoever ..
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dave YVRATC on July 23, 2017, 01:37:49 AM
the pushback truck doesnt push the aircraft back at the main gears but slightly more under the fuselage which makes it look very unrealistic



 Pushback tug on AI?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dimon on July 23, 2017, 01:42:34 AM
Yep, if the contact points and exits set correctly on AI model. It's been since  day one on fsx. The problem is, however, that these trucks are so ugly that 3rd party developers got rid of them at all. You can still see those trucks if you use default sceneries


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Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dave YVRATC on July 23, 2017, 07:05:52 AM
 I've had FSX and P3d since day 1 and never seen this or even heard of this.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Per Ardua Ad Ars on July 23, 2017, 12:23:15 PM
I clicked on the link but no info on this table, plus I too have been looking for an updated C208B FDE for some time now. Sucks seeing C208B's landing at Saint Barths and seeing them backtracking on the beach and not the runway :(

Anyone can help out with this?

I can only speak for FS9, so you need to keep this in mind. But based on my experiences in FS9 you have to be careful what you wish for.

When FlyTampa's St Maarten came out for FS9 donkey's years ago, Saba wouldn't accept AI because creating an AFCAD for Saba played havoc with the terrain profile. Having visited Saba IRL this was a bit of a disappointment. I messed around with the idea of a lower-level AFCAD to pull the default terrain flat, and then created another AFCAD at the right elevation. With a bit of tweaking this meant we ended up with an AI-enabled Saba that was incorporated into the first FT Maarten patch. The late and greatly lamented Jim Vile helped by creating angled approaches now that the airfield was AI-able, and also gave me a great tip for making AFCAD runways disappear in FS9 (just make them very narrow). This allowed me to extend the AFCAD runway out beyond the visible one and with trial and error with the length, I managed to get the AI touching down right at the end of the scenery's visible runway.

What happened then was that the Islanders and Twin Otters would run off the far end and hover over the sea, turn around and taxy back to dry land (!), so we messed around with the FDEs (Jim did by far the most on these) to bring down the stopping distance, which worked fine. The twist then was that these same aircraft landing at Juliana would stop on a dime and then be stuck trying to reach the ramp areas taxying against the flow of planes making their way to the holding point. Juliana works best with middle-distance landings that get aircraft straight off the runway and into that cyclic system that works best there.

The same would apply with say the Scottish airports that get STOL aircraft in from the islands, I assume. The plane that stops on the beach just fine gets stuck at the big airport. It's not always a problem, but it can come down to a choice of which visual aggravation you find easiest to live with.

Three FDE things seem to affect AI stopping (in FS9 at least). Spoiler braking effect, thrust reverse, and brakes. Obviously for a C207/208 brakes are the option because oif the speeds involved - although it might be a laugh to see whether deploying invisible spoilers and t/r would also have an effect, since AI doesn't even need flaps for you to be able to make flap-like effects happen in the FDE!

So, not a very helpful post, but at least food for thought, perhaps.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: KampfHase on July 23, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
Yep, if the contact points and exits set correctly on AI model. It's been since  day one on fsx. The problem is, however, that these trucks are so ugly that 3rd party developers got rid of them at all. You can still see those trucks if you use default sceneries


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3rd party developers don't use GATE but RAMP in the AFX file. So no vehicles are visible at this stand.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dimon on November 03, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
Folks,

I cannot find the latest package zip file here in the thread. Any suggestions?

Thank you
Dmitriy
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on November 03, 2017, 12:49:36 PM
http://janswebsites.altervista.org/flightsim/

Jan have released v6 of his FDE's on his website. You can get it there.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dimon on November 03, 2017, 01:04:10 PM
http://janswebsites.altervista.org/flightsim/

Jan have released v6 of his FDE's on his website. You can get it there.

Thank you, Johan
Title: FDE's Version 6 BETA Package 3
Post by: Jan Martin on December 28, 2017, 07:07:29 PM
Hi Folks!
 
Attached is the BETA of another 20 v6acof FDE sets; making it 151 in total.
 
If no changes will be necessary, these sets will later become regular v6acof FDE sets automatically.
In that case we won't need to update from BETA to official release at all.
 
The initial v6acof post is here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.345), the first BETA package can be found here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg217169#msg217169), the second BETA package can be found here (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=4339.msg224172#msg224172), and find flight characteristics at AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v6acof.html).
 
With this 3rd BETA, I've worked out another special version, the Airbus A320neo SHARP (http://www.google.de/search?q=SHort+AiRfield+Package), a special version Airbus offers for operations at SDU SBRJ Aeroporto Santos Dumont Rio de Janeiro under STOL conditions, the NEO's are due to be released. The OSP ATR72-600 uses the -500 model, and please note that the SBAI CSeries sets are still preliminary, the models contain errors (http://www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=26453.msg267196#msg267196), but no correction has been released, as far as I know . . .
 
This package contains the following models:
 
AIM DC10-10
AIM DC10-30
FAIB A319NEO
FAIB A320NEO
FAIB A320NEO SHARP
FAIB A321NEO
FAIB B767-200
FAIB B767-300
FAIB B767-300W
FAIB B767-400
FSP MD11
FSP MD11 OLD
OSP ATR72-600
RAI E170
RAI E175
RAI E175 NW
SBAI CS100
SBAI CS300
UTT B787-900
UTT CRJ-900
 
Find model file download links at AI Aircraft Behaviour Table (http://janswebsites.altervista.org/flightsim/ai-aircraft-behaviour-v6acof.html)
 
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Edit 30dec2017 - fde-set-v6acof-beta-3.1.zip - FSP MD11 updated with old (FSP MD11 OLD) and new (FSP MD11) version
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: gapeters on December 28, 2017, 07:13:23 PM
Thank you Jan! Was secretly hoping for a FSP MD-11 fix!
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: bvanhout on December 28, 2017, 09:39:20 PM
Hi Jan,

Am I right in assuming the "acof" implies these are for FS2004.

I have seen some mention of FSX, but nothing of P3Dv4

Thank you
Brian
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: KANIE on December 28, 2017, 10:41:08 PM
I am using Jan,s FDE,s in P3D4...My thoughts are that my AI planes were fs9 planes and then converted/compiled for FSX/P3D...I am replacing an fs9 FDE with another fs9 FDE...so far I have not noticed anything unusual except a couple dancing c208,s...lol
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: flyer123 on December 29, 2017, 08:35:12 AM
Is there a set for the FSPX 787? For some reason in my sim both the -8 and -9 use barely any runway on take off and landing..
Title: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 29, 2017, 11:09:53 AM
Is there a set for the FSPX 787? For some reason in my sim both the -8 and -9 use barely any runway on take off and landing.
The correct address would be FSP; if you pay for something and have problems with it, or want to complain that it does not work or fly properly.
 
If FDE sets work with P3D, it may be fine for you, but generally:
 
I do not support FSX / P3D / Payware !
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: gapeters on December 29, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
Hey Jan,

Is the FSP MD-11 referring to the newer Mitsushi Yutaka or the old one? Reason I ask is I applied V6 to the newer model and it all works good except for the contact point were too high.
I have adjusted them lower and watched both takeoffs and landings so I knew it was still ok. But it got me thinking later in the day if it was for the old model.

Anywho, seems to be ok for the newer one with the contact point adjustment so far..

Greg
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jackralston on December 29, 2017, 08:17:57 PM
And this is one of the main reasons I shall stick to FS9 for as long as I can. Superb FDEs for AI, need to update all my schedules to winter 17/18! Fantastic work as always  :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 30, 2017, 07:36:47 PM
And this is one of the main reasons I shall stick to FS9 for as long as I can
readytogo
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 30, 2017, 07:37:16 PM
Is the FSP MD-11 referring to the newer Mitsushi Yutaka or the old one?
In order to avoid confusion, I updated the post above and the package; please see the edit note . . .
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Grindstein on December 30, 2017, 10:53:46 PM
Jan, first, you do a fantastic job with your FDE sets. Butt its one thing i not understand. When i tonight read the read me file for the updateted FAIB A32X series i see you have made the FDE. I wondring why you not make the same FDE sets in the basepack some you provide in your pack?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Jan Martin on December 31, 2017, 06:39:17 PM
I wondring why you not make the same FDE sets in the basepack some you provide in your pack?
I provided the NEO FDE sets to FAIB, but had no idea until yesterday, whether they would be used for the packages of FAIB or not. However, I also provide some special versions, and the original FDEs are always availabe from my original sources.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: scandic on December 31, 2017, 07:34:43 PM
Sorry, but this is still not completely clear to me: can I use the files even with P3D v4 or are they developed to improve FS9 - which you are still using, Jan  ???
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dimon on December 31, 2017, 10:05:32 PM
AI dynamics SDK hasn't changed since FS2004, if not FS2002.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: gapeters on January 01, 2018, 03:59:49 AM
Thanks for the MD-11's Jan. Works great.

Greg
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on January 05, 2018, 12:04:25 AM
UTT Let 410 in the plans?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: KampfHase on January 23, 2018, 09:41:24 PM
Is there a set for the FSPX 787? For some reason in my sim both the -8 and -9 use barely any runway on take off and landing.
The correct address would be FSP; if you pay for something and have problems with it, or want to complain that it does not work or fly properly.
 
If FDE sets work with P3D, it may be fine for you, but generally:
 
I do not support FSX / P3D / Payware !

A "Jan"-version of the FSPX jets would be greatly appreciated by the whole community. Me and several others contacted him already months ago, and all he was saying is - he doesn't know better.

The Dreamliners are always touching down with a tail strike, and the A380 is looking into the stars before the final bank on approach.

Doesn't have much to do with the attitude to payware. I also create better AFCADs for payware airports, just to make them better than they already are :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Dominato83 on January 23, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
Is there a set for the FSPX 787? For some reason in my sim both the -8 and -9 use barely any runway on take off and landing.
The correct address would be FSP; if you pay for something and have problems with it, or want to complain that it does not work or fly properly.
 
If FDE sets work with P3D, it may be fine for you, but generally:
 
I do not support FSX / P3D / Payware !

A "Jan"-version of the FSPX jets would be greatly appreciated by the whole community. Me and several others contacted him already months ago, and all he was saying is - he doesn't know better.

The Dreamliners are always touching down with a tail strike, and the A380 is looking into the stars before the final bank on approach.

Doesn't have much to do with the attitude to payware. I also create better AFCADs for payware airports, just to make them better than they already are :)
I think this is more along the line that Jan would have to pay for the models in order to create an FDE pack, and since heâ??s not buying them itâ??s impossible to create an FDE pack.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: lrog on February 03, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Having finally got around to installing the latest FDE sets I have 2 questions:

1. Which FDE should I use for the PW A318S/A319S/A320S/A321S

2. As I am using P3Dv4 can I replace the [fuel] section with the Default section without any performance penalty.

I fully understand that these FDE's were created for FS9 but they seem to work fine in P3Dv4 !!

Regards
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: thokle on July 12, 2018, 10:58:14 AM
Is there a set for the FSPX 787? For some reason in my sim both the -8 and -9 use barely any runway on take off and landing.
The correct address would be FSP; if you pay for something and have problems with it, or want to complain that it does not work or fly properly.
 
If FDE sets work with P3D, it may be fine for you, but generally:
 
I do not support FSX / P3D / Payware !
I experience the same issue with the FSPX 787. It touches down a few miles ahead the runway.
The 787 is a freeware model like the A350 and MD-11. Please rethink your opinion. :)
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: p3dflyer64 on July 15, 2018, 03:38:47 AM
Is there a fix for dropping nose on takeoff in all the faib models original FDEs? I do not use the Jan's FDEs as of now since they are directed to fs9 tuning and there are slight differences when running fs9 fde in FSX and further in P3D from FSX.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: sticky1202 on July 15, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
I use Jans' FDEs in P3Dv4 with no issues.

Jim
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: p3dflyer64 on July 17, 2018, 04:44:57 AM
I use Jans' FDEs in P3Dv4 with no issues.

Jim

It works without issues yes but for example when in past I moved my own tuned AIs from fsx to p3d v2 there was reduction in landing speed and landing roll distance which I had to tweak again to work as before. It is also widely known the fs9 fde behave differently in fsx so that might have an additive effect in p3d v4, with all the figures in the table possibly not working as intended.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jackralston on July 19, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
Bit of a strange question this.

For a long time I haven't seen the nose wheel taxi light visible during daytime. I have tried tweaking the coordinates, changing .fx file but to no avail. It will only show up during sunrise/sunset or night. What this something that was part of Jan's FDEs? Really want to try get the taxi light visible again.  :'(
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: p3dflyer64 on July 20, 2018, 08:36:46 AM
Bit of a strange question this.

For a long time I haven't seen the nose wheel taxi light visible during daytime. I have tried tweaking the coordinates, changing .fx file but to no avail. It will only show up during sunrise/sunset or night. What this something that was part of Jan's FDEs? Really want to try get the taxi light visible again.  :'(

I think this normal fsx AI hardcoded behavior. I see the same with every AI and don't have the FDE sets installed.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jackralston on July 20, 2018, 11:51:06 AM
I think this normal fsx AI hardcoded behavior. I see the same with every AI and don't have the FDE sets installed.

Sorry, forgot to mention I use FS9. It's like the parameters for a taxi light during daytime have been changed to not be visible.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Danthepilot on August 08, 2018, 01:23:40 AM
Hello, just updated all of my AI with the new V6 and i am having issues with AI traffic bunching up on the taxiways in line to take off, never had that issue before.

Thoughts??

Using FS9
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: gapeters on August 08, 2018, 12:22:08 PM
Look at the brakes section. If I remember correctly this will help.

toe_brakes_scale = 0.01

Change it to

toe_brakes_scale = 0.1.


Otherwise I dunno  :)

Greg
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Danthepilot on August 08, 2018, 03:40:53 PM
Look at the brakes section. If I remember correctly this will help.

toe_brakes_scale = 0.01

Change it to

toe_brakes_scale = 0.1.


Otherwise I dunno  :)

Greg

Just checked, they are all set to 0.1, i will try slowing down the taxi speeds as maybe they are booking it too fast before they can stop LOL
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: zuki on August 09, 2018, 10:56:01 AM
or change it to 0.5
works for me
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: VSP4264 on August 14, 2018, 05:05:17 AM
This package is very very good on airplane performance, but in contact points, the nose gear is always out of real place and this fact impact on default pushback tug service.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: lhpdx on December 06, 2018, 05:50:53 AM
I was tinkering around with my FAIB ai models in P3Dv3 over the weekend and decided to installed Jan's FDEs to improve AI performances.. I liked the way the ai planes performed using Jan's FDE, however, I also noticed that the FaIB AI planes stop connecting to the SODE jetways...Before I installed Jan's FDE's, all of the FAIB models connected to the SODE jetways at my payware airports...Is there a way to fix this problem?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: Grindstein on December 06, 2018, 07:28:58 AM
I was tinkering around with my FAIB ai models in P3Dv3 over the weekend and decided to installed Jan's FDEs to improve AI performances.. I liked the way the ai planes performed using Jan's FDE, however, I also noticed that the FaIB AI planes stop connecting to the SODE jetways...Before I installed Jan's FDE's, all of the FAIB models connected to the SODE jetways at my payware airports...Is there a way to fix this problem?

Jans CFG is missing EXITS information. Without EXITS information the sim have no information where to dock the jetbrigde to the plane. Its allso missing RADIOS, some are needed in V4.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: lhpdx on December 07, 2018, 05:17:41 PM
Thanks for the tip!!  With Jan's FDE's and including the FAIB models "Exit section" most of my AI is connecting to the SODE gates in my payware sceneries.. ::party2:: The only ones that are not connecting are Raven's 170, 175 and AIG's 757 series...I did notice that they both have the default "exit section" added...With this update, while AI spotting at Flightbeam KSFO in P3D, I noticed that the FAIB A321's are now using the longer runway and taking off at 28L.  Is there a way to tweak the FAIB A321's FDE's so that the AI will depart using 1L instead of 28L?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: tmead2020 on April 19, 2019, 06:07:06 PM
Does this work with any FLAI Aircraft?
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on April 20, 2019, 10:14:37 PM
Yes. But remember. The FDE's from Jan is for FS9, and might give problems in FSX/P3D.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jackralston on June 12, 2019, 08:08:10 PM
Any plans to make FDEs for Camsim A350s/B787s? I use the UTT 788/789 and FSP A359 but if a suitable FDE set was made, I'd definitely use them in FS9! :P
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: johanfrc on June 12, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
Sadly that although the Camsim are said to be AI planes they are not. They are just a bit less complex versions of the normal version, and is far from being a AI plane as we know. I would hardly advice not to use Camsim as AI planes as the FPS will go down a lot!

So keep using the UTT and FSPX models. They are way better than Camsim.
Title: Re: Get Proper FDE Set's - AI FDE Settings Changes & Results
Post by: jackralston on June 13, 2019, 12:53:10 PM
Sadly that although the Camsim are said to be AI planes they are not. They are just a bit less complex versions of the normal version, and is far from being a AI plane as we know. I would hardly advice not to use Camsim as AI planes as the FPS will go down a lot!

So keep using the UTT and FSPX models. They are way better than Camsim.

Noted, I'll stick with those models on FS9 then  ;)