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Title: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Лазербик on August 29, 2009, 05:50:59 AM
I didn't see yet a post for this, so I'm assuming this will be news. There's a new AI model for An-72 in Avsim.su, so finally I can have a real AI-class model for replacing the UI model of Samdim.

http://www.avsim.su/f/fs2004-ai-samoleti-dlya-trafika-48/ai-an-72-23366.html (http://www.avsim.su/f/fs2004-ai-samoleti-dlya-trafika-48/ai-an-72-23366.html)
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: CMX579 on August 29, 2009, 06:20:22 AM
Another good Ai model for our skies, this has been a good month :)

Edit:

Downloaded, it comes with some great repaints and flightplans ...only thing missing is the aircraft cfg !!!
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Mosha on August 29, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
Thanks for the headsup and link Enzo
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Makadocias on August 29, 2009, 09:46:23 AM
Awesome stuff!!!  :yeah:

But yes... there is no aircraft.cfg

not yet there is...  ::rolleyes:

A big thank you though to everyone involved!  :)
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Tupolev144 on August 29, 2009, 10:57:04 AM
Thanks for the link Enzo, this really was a much needed model for the virtual skies!
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: flying finn on August 29, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
You can find the cfg here (http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/37949-noviy-an72-74-traffff/page__view__findpost__p__965524). Too bad it doesn't have entries for all those repaints.
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Andy on August 29, 2009, 11:27:27 AM
Note that a few pages later you can find an updated CFG in the thread with around 9 entries I think.
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: sprocky on August 29, 2009, 11:46:32 AM
Note that a few pages later you can find an updated CFG in the thread with around 9 entries I think.
12 ;)
http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/37949-noviy-an72-74-traffff/page__view__findpost__p__1216617
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: ST rider on August 29, 2009, 02:37:51 PM
great one! what a coincidence and nice surprise, like the real RA-74015 which right now is
sitting one the GA ramp at LIML, hope the plans include such a run  :)
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: scandic on August 29, 2009, 03:22:02 PM
great one! what a coincidence and nice surprise, like the real RA-74015 which right now is
sitting one the GA ramp at LIML, hope the plans include such a run  :)

Unfortunately no plans for all antonov 74 included in this pack  :'(
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Tupolev144 on August 29, 2009, 03:40:45 PM
great one! what a coincidence and nice surprise, like the real RA-74015 which right now is
sitting one the GA ramp at LIML, hope the plans include such a run  :)

Unfortunately no plans for all antonov 74 included in this pack  :'(

Flightplans for most An-72/74 operators are included. Also SharInk, the airline operating RA-74015 is included in those flightplans.

Regards,
Peter
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Tupolev144 on August 29, 2009, 04:16:36 PM
I just went on a trip to spot my freshly installed An-74s, they are great. They do however have a problem with the tirepressure, as can be seen in this picture:
(http://i30.tinypic.com/345fql5.png)

Does anyone have an updated Aircraft.cfg to fix this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Peter
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: flying finn on August 29, 2009, 06:18:35 PM
Cfg and entries on http://avsimrus.com (http://avsimrus.com). 23387-Aircraft-AI-An-72-SBAI.zip
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Tupolev144 on August 29, 2009, 06:35:22 PM
Thanks Flyin Finn, I'll try that.
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: dusteagle on August 29, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
Very nice model for a very particular aircraft. The repaints look a bit 'too clean', but that's really the only remark I have.
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: ST rider on August 29, 2009, 09:06:58 PM
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Flightplans for most An-72/74 operators are included. Also SharInk, the airline operating RA-74015 is included in those flightplans.

thank you Peter, I just finished installing all the native plans and went out at OIII to spot some of the IAF machines, the outcome is
really nice, thanx to the modeler .. as for the tire pressure problem despite having pasted the new lines in the cfg file I had to
tweak it a bit anyway to make the plane sit nicely, for those who might want to try it out this is my modified paramater:
static_cg_height = 9.0

let me know if this works or if it's rubbish.  :)
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: FrancoisM on August 29, 2009, 10:24:42 PM
Works on my system :)

Thanks ST Rider

F.

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Flightplans for most An-72/74 operators are included. Also SharInk, the airline operating RA-74015 is included in those flightplans.

thank you Peter, I just finished installing all the native plans and went out at OIII to spot some of the IAF machines, the outcome is
really nice, thanx to the modeler . as for the tire pressure problem despite having pasted the new lines in the cfg file I had to
tweak it a bit anyway to make the plane sit nicely, for those who might want to try it out this is my modified paramater:
static_cg_height = 9.0

let me know if this works or if it's rubbish.  :)
::jerry::
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: ST rider on August 30, 2009, 06:43:03 AM
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Works on my system 

glad to hear this Francois, did you try both settings or just went straight with the one I posted above?
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: M-Sauce on August 30, 2009, 06:59:09 AM
It is a very nice model, I love the AN-72 series, they are really cool looking aircraft. Those over-wing mounted engines look really wicked.  ::evilgrin::

My only criticism is that the flaps do not deploy until the aircraft lines up on the active. It seems all the russian developers prefer this method than having them out during taxi. It is a shame because this bird has some cool looking flaps, would be great to have them out for taxi like all other AI aircraft. It is much more realistic.  ;)

 ::cheers::
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: vc-10 on August 30, 2009, 11:03:12 AM
I think we've had this discussion before, and the result was something like 'Russian pilots don't extend the flaps until the runway' or something?
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: M-Sauce on August 30, 2009, 11:25:03 AM
I think we've had this discussion before, and the result was something like 'Russian pilots don't extend the flaps until the runway' or something?

Yeah, it was talked about with regards to the AN-225 and IL-86. But in many pictures they are deployed on taxi-out, so I'm not sure it is a Russian pilot thing.

 ::cheers::
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: ST rider on August 30, 2009, 02:23:44 PM
I finally could watch one of these birds in action and found out my setting is rubbish! it works fine as long as the plane
is sleeping on the ramp but once it becomes alive it jumps off the ground a few feet and stays there floating ..  ???

fortunately Mariano worked out some new cfg entries which he posted separately and work really fine, great.

thank you M. this must be the touch of the pro!  :)
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: DanielDafoe on August 30, 2009, 05:40:46 PM
I think we've had this discussion before, and the result was something like 'Russian pilots don't extend the flaps until the runway' or something?

Yeah, it was talked about with regards to the AN-225 and IL-86. But in many pictures they are deployed on taxi-out, so I'm not sure it is a Russian pilot thing.

 ::cheers::

I heard from my old man that at least in previous days pilots only set the flaps once they were clear of the ramp areas and on the taxiways to the holding point, the reason being that you keep no part of the aircraft closer to the ground than it needs to be until you are certain you're clear of obstructions (which is more of a problem on the ramp than on a taxiway). I don't know whether that's "old wisdom" that is outdated now. I can see with older designs like the 707 and VC-10 that the flaps were quite large and even a small deflection might make all the difference between the wing hitting an obstruction and narrowly clearing it. These days many larger planes have a lot of ground clearance even with the flaps deployed.

Like I say, apparently it used to be a consideration, but I don't know if it is these days. High wing designs like the Antonovs would be pretty immune to such problems, I'd guess.
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: M-Sauce on August 30, 2009, 07:41:27 PM
I think we've had this discussion before, and the result was something like 'Russian pilots don't extend the flaps until the runway' or something?

Yeah, it was talked about with regards to the AN-225 and IL-86. But in many pictures they are deployed on taxi-out, so I'm not sure it is a Russian pilot thing.

 ::cheers::

I heard from my old man that at least in previous days pilots only set the flaps once they were clear of the ramp areas and on the taxiways to the holding point, the reason being that you keep no part of the aircraft closer to the ground than it needs to be until you are certain you're clear of obstructions (which is more of a problem on the ramp than on a taxiway). I don't know whether that's "old wisdom" that is outdated now. I can see with older designs like the 707 and VC-10 that the flaps were quite large and even a small deflection might make all the difference between the wing hitting an obstruction and narrowly clearing it. These days many larger planes have a lot of ground clearance even with the flaps deployed.

Like I say, apparently it used to be a consideration, but I don't know if it is these days. High wing designs like the Antonovs would be pretty immune to such problems, I'd guess.

Some carriers deploy the flaps on the After start checklist while still talking to the pushback crew while some do it on the taxi / before TO checklist. I guess it just depends on the carrier, but I can tell you most have them out pretty soon after starting the taxi. As I've said before, the only time that you'll see carriers leave them up during taxi is if the surfaces are contaminated and there is concern that slush or ice could damage them. In these conditions you will also see aircraft leave them down after landing to have the ground engineer inspect them before retracting them at the gate. Pretty common procedure up in PANC.  ;)

As a pilot I can tell you that an airliner taxiing out with no flaps really calls out attention from other pilots and even the keener ATCs. I've often heard (and even done myself a couple of times) comments to ATC that "X airplane's flaps are not out" just as a heads up. I've never seen one forget them, depending on the type, it would not be pretty if they did. But rather these instances where usually repositions with engines running (I remember at LGA it was hard to tell due to the traffic which aircraft was in line for what).
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: FrancoisM on August 30, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
I tried both :)
However I didn't watch the taking off ..

F.

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Works on my system 

glad to hear this Francois, did you try both settings or just went straight with the one I posted above?

Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: csturdiv on September 20, 2009, 01:58:45 AM
Finally got around to installing the aircraft and schedules.  I still have two left in my Samdim flyable folder, one for Yamal and Alliance Avia that are being used in the RATS Yamal Su08 plans that I have.  Are there repaints for the new model?

edit

Never mind, i realized the Yamal texture came with the model release.  Another example of lack of sleep and not looking too closely
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: Andrew88 on September 20, 2009, 06:14:03 AM
Yamal and Alliance Avia that are being used in the RATS Yamal Su08 plans that I have.
:o There is no An-74 in RATS Yamal package. Because this plane was withdrawn from usage some years ago and stored at Bykovo (UUBB)
Title: Re: New An-72 AI model
Post by: csturdiv on September 20, 2009, 01:18:25 PM
Yamal and Alliance Avia that are being used in the RATS Yamal Su08 plans that I have.
:o There is no An-74 in RATS Yamal package. Because this plane was withdrawn from usage some years ago and stored at Bykovo (UUBB)

I must have added them in myself then.  :-[  Are there plans for the other An-72s that were released but were not included with the flightplans?  I looked on avsim.ru but couldn't find any.