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Title: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 13, 2009, 04:42:14 PM
Hi

This site came to our attention today http://aitraffic.aforumfree.com/forum.htm (http://aitraffic.aforumfree.com/forum.htm) as providing an AI package along the lines of skAI - freeware models, freeware flightplans, freeware repaints etc. etc. without having sought permission from any of the authors whose time went into creating what they are using nor, of course, giving any credit to authors for their work.

We have passed on these details to TFS, WOAI, RATS and other parties.  WOAI have already posted a demand on their forums for all WOAI sourced material to be removed within 2 weeks or else..

If the first few posts in the forum give you the impression this was innocently done, please do look at this thread http://aitraffic.aforumfree.com/smalltalk-f7/legitamacy-of-product-t11.htm (http://aitraffic.aforumfree.com/smalltalk-f7/legitamacy-of-product-t11.htm)

Authors and developers may well want to follow Tom's lead to protect your work..
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: romeocharlie on October 13, 2009, 04:45:48 PM
Well, they put their files on piratebay, so think that's enough said, really.

You guys sadly are not the first, and sadly won't be the last FS group to have their material misused.

Hope you can get this sorted.

Rob
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: DanielFall on October 13, 2009, 04:48:06 PM
That kind of attitude just pisses me off. Going against the will of payware authors is not ok, but ignoring the wishes of those who spend hours and days and months providing stuff for free if completely ok, they're just a bunch of whiners anyway! >:(
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: NelsAnderson on October 13, 2009, 06:15:14 PM
Looks like you've already had an effect on them...their forums now require you to sign up and login before you can read anything. I guess they are on notice..
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: vc-10 on October 13, 2009, 06:29:22 PM
I don't know if any of my stuff is in the package, but if there is any in it, and they'd asked, I'd be more than happy to let people use my stuff. It's the rudeness of it that gets me.  >:( ::rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: f14driver on October 13, 2009, 06:46:54 PM
I think we did have an effect on them, their forum is offline now  ::cheers::

Now, up to getting those things taken down from the torrent sites.

Any ideas ??
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: EDDK on October 13, 2009, 06:50:58 PM
Well that was fast! Great, thanks for your effort Peter!

To let withdraw torrents from e.g. Piratebay is another thing. As we know major companies try to do the same since years, with moderate success!
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: f14driver on October 13, 2009, 06:52:31 PM
I think Peter would appriciate it, but next time call me Tom

Kind regards,

Tom vd Horst
World-of-AI
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 13, 2009, 06:54:58 PM
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I think Peter would appriciate it, but next time call me Tom

 :D

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To let withdraw torrents from e.g. Piratebay is another thing. As we know major companies try to do the same since years, with moderate success!

I think we could accept 'moderate success'.  How do they go about it ?
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: EDDK on October 13, 2009, 06:56:09 PM
call me Tom

my fault Tom!  :oops:

thanks anyway!  ;)
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: EDDK on October 13, 2009, 06:57:10 PM
How do they go about it ?

They pay lawyers I think  :rules:
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 13, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
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They pay lawyers I think

Do you think we might have anything left over for that ?  ;)
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: EDDK on October 13, 2009, 07:04:12 PM
Hahaha I feel we have enough over for that!

 :stirpot:
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: f14driver on October 13, 2009, 07:07:10 PM
Well I got a reaction from the guy and it seems that we did have an effect indeed.
Here is an email I got from the guy :

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Hi,
 
The torrents has been removed from TPB, as well as my account and i have stopped seeding. As for possible torrents on other sites, i am not responsible since i only published on TPB . This is not a single man project so you will have to go after some other guys if that is the case. As for the forum, i am not the main admin, so removal of this forum can only be done by the creator of the forum with full admin rights, but i have removed my account so won't have anything to do with the forum anymore. I gain nothing from this other than getting help to put together a great ai pack, so it's no problem for me to stop. I have done what I can, so you can consider me out of this project, and i won't break your copyrights in the future . blablabla
 
No hard feelings
 
 
Elgster

End quote

One down, many more to go  ;)

Kind regards,
Tom vd Horst
World-of-AI
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 13, 2009, 07:26:17 PM
Good work Tom.  Thin edge of the wedge, as you say..

The name of who appeared to be the other rmain admin was "ChrisFlyer".  Sorry to say, I suspect ChrisFlyer is a member here..
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Andy on October 13, 2009, 07:57:11 PM
He most certainly is.. and I've been monitoring this person for some time..
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: EDDK on October 13, 2009, 08:03:12 PM
forum is back online, so the battle is not yet won!
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 13, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
It's back online but "Administrators have forbidden any new members."
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Andrew88 on October 13, 2009, 08:53:08 PM
 :stirpot:
It's time to stop the piracy!  ::fighting::
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Maximilian on October 13, 2009, 09:13:54 PM
:stirpot:
It's time to stop the piracy!  ::fighting::


Well, Piracy in Flightsimming and AI!  :stirpot:
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: f14driver on October 14, 2009, 08:28:27 AM
The forum is back but there's an announcement that the project has been shut down.
All other items have been removed as well as the complete member list  ::cheers::
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Mosha on October 14, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
Way to go guys. Why can't these plonkers just e-mail a simple request?
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 14, 2009, 09:26:35 AM
Well, a small victory in that we took their forum down - thanks to Tom at WOAI as well as AIG's formal complaint to their forum providers.

There is still all the torrents..  Let's see..  ;)
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: f14driver on October 14, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
the less ention they get the less they are seeded again.
Most of these die a silent death within a few weeks.

If we cut them out of communication then we reach a major part of our aim, protection of our own interests and that of other freeware groups
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Garfield_x on October 14, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
Good work Tom.  Thin edge of the wedge, as you say..

The name of who appeared to be the other rmain admin was "ChrisFlyer".  Sorry to say, I suspect ChrisFlyer is a member here..

Why not send him a pm and ask him about this stuf :)
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 14, 2009, 01:07:10 PM
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the less ention they get the less they are seeded again

Google 'Mortens AI' and move onto page 2 and 3 and you will start finding a number of flightsim and other forums where their product is promoted with comments such as "it's not really illegal".

I have started contributing to some of these to point out that there is no "not really" when it comes to 'illegal' as well as to explain briefly why it is illegal.  

Long process..  If anybody else cares to join in, it will be shortened.
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Garfield_x on October 14, 2009, 01:38:41 PM
also a nice reply from DAvid R on AVSIm about the same issue

http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtopic=251082&st=50
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 15, 2009, 01:13:26 PM
Distressingly, I have just found a post in caffeinatedman.com forums from someone who says he can no longer get Morten's AI and begging for a link to download it.

Shame, eh ?  ;)

He now has links to WOAI, MAIW, Flightim, Avsim and, of course, AIG forums..
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Garfield_x on October 15, 2009, 01:24:33 PM
 ::party:: ::cheers::
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: MAIW MIKE on October 15, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
caffeaineman.com forums

Good lord where do you guys find these sites?  I can't even find this on on the net anywhere.
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Ben on October 15, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
I think it was a typo.

www.caffeineman.com ?
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 15, 2009, 03:17:06 PM
Sorry, I typed it from a lousy memory. The particular thread is here http://caffeinatedman.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2911&st=0 (http://caffeinatedman.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2911&st=0)  ;)
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Garfield_x on October 15, 2009, 05:38:25 PM
haha that guy is whining like a child.

Lots of banners in his profile with 'proud user of ..'

He sure is missing one banner 'Proud user of illegal stuff' (or something lke that)  ;D
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: MAIW MIKE on October 16, 2009, 04:53:15 PM
There's some seriously LAZY people out there.  I'm not even sure why you would want to pollute your hard drive with HUGE packages like that.  You'll probably never even see most of the AI in the first place, you're just wasting space and resources.

Glad the one guy finally got a clue and pulled the eject handles.
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Fredericia01 on October 17, 2009, 07:45:12 AM
It seems like Morten´s isn´t the only one to build an AI package. Have a look at this link (link removed to avoid SE indexing) :wild:
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: f14driver on October 17, 2009, 08:47:15 AM
Yes this one is also out there.
Problem is that you won't get it removed from TPB no matter what.

The more publicity these guys are getting, the more free advertising they get.
Most torrents die slowly.
Like Mike said, some people are just lazy.
That's why they are called the "insatiable beast" , no matter how much you give them, it's never enough.. ::goofy::
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: DanielDafoe on October 18, 2009, 02:39:55 PM
Most torrents die slowly.

Unless someone publishes a link on a forum, of course .. suggest to mods for deletion?
Title: Re: "Morten's" AI Pirates
Post by: Hornets Nest on October 18, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
Very good point, Daniel..  Consider it done..  ;)