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Offline Per Ardua Ad Ars

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2008, 08:06:51 AM »
Those Tupolev engineers sure like using anhedral. When you look at the wingtip during taxiing it looks as if they have a flat tire!  ;D

One of my favorite free-ware airplanes is the Tu124. Those wingroot mounted engines make it look like a military bomber...actually, it probably was designe as such.  ::)

I guess you know that anhedral makes a design more unstable and improves maneuverability - which answers part 2 of your post!
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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2008, 09:37:59 AM »
I wonder why they would want such a feature on an airliner? I know that the Tu 134 had several accidents due to low-time guys getting in trouble flying it, probably due to its instability.

Maybe they used the anhedral to keep the gear legs shorter, maybe to help with un-improved field conditions, reducing the probability of damaging the gear.  ??? ??? ???

I love how the gear retracts into pods on the wings. Makes them look like external tanks.  ::evilgrin::

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2008, 12:28:12 PM »
For those that are interested an updated version of "Tolmachevo TEAM" UNNT Tolmachevo has appeared at Avsim.ru.

link:http://www.avsimrus.com/files.phtml?action=download&id=14333&hl=

I've installed this wonderful scenery, I've got a small problem though, the default scenery is flickering through the add-on scenery at several parts of the runway. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? And does anyone know a fix for it?

Thanks in advance,
Peter

try downloading this updated version:
http://www.avsim.ru/files.phtml?action=download&id=14344&hl=

and download this patch
http://avsim.ru/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=157296
put it to "fs9\Addon scenery\UNNT-2008\scenery", ths should fix flickering problem..

They promise to make a patch for UNNT-2008 and release it (with patch) on avsim.com with english manual.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2008, 12:41:23 PM by Loc »

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2008, 02:43:22 PM »
Thanks, I'll try that.

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2008, 03:16:41 PM »
I wonder why they would want such a feature on an airliner? I know that the Tu 134 had several accidents due to low-time guys getting in trouble flying it, probably due to its instability.

Maybe they used the anhedral to keep the gear legs shorter, maybe to help with un-improved field conditions, reducing the probability of damaging the gear.  ??? ??? ???

Well, considering the time it was built, a troop transport was another possible use for them. It always fascinated me to see the olive-drab wheel hubs on "civilian" planes.

Shorter gear for rough fields would surely compromise the undersurface of the wings if stuff was thrown up, and the huge flap area (and massive ventral spoiler) would certainly have gotten a hammering. The BAe-146's short gear is hung far out to minimize the same problems, engines forward of the main gear, wing way above the gear, no thrust reverse. Going back to the Tupolevs, shorter oleos for the gear would definitely minimize the lateral stresses for hard stops or short fields, but FOD would be more of a problem. Maybe the underwing and those pods are more armored than usual?

I think any handling problems the Tu-134 has might be more due to the fact that the airplane seemed to fly approaches quite "hot" (although I believe its landing speed is/was 141kt), it always seemed fast on finals from my younger point of view. Also, its a small airliner but still a fairly massive thing to move around the sky and there's the inertia thing going on (just no pendular stability due to the anhedral - I always used to visualize anhedral & dihedral as sitting on top of a beachball rather than laying in a hammock - as an instant reminder of the forces involved, that image worked well for me - and you can't relax on a beachball).

Since the 134's wing is highly swept (about 7 or 8 degrees more than the usual airliners of its class) it would be more prone to tip stall (because more air would flow out along the span and not be creating lift by simply crossing the wing "like it should do" (and the reason for things like the big wing fences on the contemporary Caravelle). I think because of that factor, finals would be flown quite hot and the barn-door flaps used to bring the speed right down for touchdown. Once a swept wing gets tip-stall it produces an up-pitch because the CofP moves forward (only the inboard parts of the wing are still flying), and that just increases the tip stall even more, so it would be one of those areas that a sane pilot, or an experienced one, would stay well away from.

Even in a typical light trainer, a hot approach is always a source of problems-in-waiting (witness the number of C152 nosewheel collapses when the inexperienced pilot tries to keep the airplane on the ground after a hot approach, and wonders why the runway end is getting so close). I think in something like the 134 that would be the source of major problems for the inexperienced pilot. Must be a good feeling to get it right though.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2008, 03:21:19 PM by Per Ardua Ad Ars »
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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2008, 01:55:39 PM »
Not the same guys, but yes, it's free for now.  :)

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2008, 07:04:40 PM »
Not the same guys, but yes, it's free for now.  :)

BTW. Alpet, is RATS still alive? It's been a long time since the release of your last packages, I'm really looking forward to more Il-76s.

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2008, 08:34:27 PM »
Not the same guys, but yes, it's free for now.  :)

BTW. Alpet, is RATS still alive? It's been a long time since the release of your last packages, I'm really looking forward to more Il-76s.
Still alive and will celebrate the second birthday soon - July, 17.  :)

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2008, 11:54:13 AM »
Thanks for your quick reaction alpet, I'm looking forward to July 17th.

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2012, 05:19:44 AM »
after the release of the scene UNNT many years have passed. the band 16/34 is already working. I made a small correction AFCAD - extended taxiway on the band 16/34, and added ILS according to the schemes. if this hotfix is interesting, where I can give?

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2012, 09:09:40 PM »
@ckopnuo-67

There is a version UNNT 2012 with runway 16/34 available on avsim.rus: 44908-UNNT-2012.zip

 or on avsim.com: unnt-2012.zip

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2012, 06:49:24 AM »
after the release of the scene UNNT many years have passed.

4 years later, congrats for a 1st post!



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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2012, 04:45:40 AM »
Version UNNT-2012 is made for FS2004! I added the version of Alfa-India for FSX

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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2012, 09:29:06 AM »
Hi

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Version UNNT-2012 is made for FS2004! I added the version of Alfa-India for FSX

That's good news but you added my UNNT where ?

I wouldn't like to equate my UNNT to the work of the Tolmachevo Team as mine is an enhanced afcad with some scenery elements and not a full add on scenery produced by a team dedicated to that one airport.  ;)
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Re: Updated UNNT Tolmachevo
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2012, 02:24:59 AM »
I want to give an updated AFCAD from AIG and added elements of the landscape! Since version UNNT-2012 in FSX does not look like in FS2004.