Author Topic: Ethiopian Max8 crash  (Read 3129 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline johanfrc

  • Administrator
  • Command Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 17221
    • JCAI
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #105 on: March 14, 2019, 11:32:59 PM »
Or even better (at least for me) as this is a sim and we can do what we want on our own, to just keep them flying. I haven't installed that many airlines this Winter, and I still have a bunch to remove. And for me, as I do like the design and the difference the MAX will give me in the airports and in the airspace,, I'll keep them.

Thankfully we can do what we want. Some want to get them parked. Others don't care and just keep them flying.
Regards

Johan Clausen

Offline benclark

  • AIG Dispatch
  • Command Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 2257
    • www.realbigtree.com
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #106 on: March 15, 2019, 12:19:45 AM »
Or even better (at least for me) as this is a sim and we can do what we want on our own, to just keep them flying. I haven't installed that many airlines this Winter, and I still have a bunch to remove. And for me, as I do like the design and the difference the MAX will give me in the airports and in the airspace,, I'll keep them.

Thankfully we can do what we want. Some want to get them parked. Others don't care and just keep them flying.
I'll admit it could easily be a few weeks and they'd be back in the air. Having just looked at Tulsa satellite imagery man it'd be cool to see rows of them parked up ready to get fixed. I'm torn lol. Maybe I'll wait a week, let any last minute re-positioning flights happen and then see how I feel/what is happening with them.

Offline EarnhardtJR

  • Turbine Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 683
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #107 on: March 15, 2019, 08:24:15 AM »
When the news broke that the MAX's are getting grounded I was looking up Icelandair flights from Brussels to Reykjavik for Easter vacation. Then the news broke that the plane has been grounded by the EASA. Icelandair was flying MAX's to Brussels and I was like very uncomfortable flying with the idea of flying on the MAX knowing that a small AOA sensor can literally kill people  :o.

757 to the rescue  ;D

Offline philbean

  • Turbine 1st Officer
  • ****
  • Posts: 402
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #108 on: March 15, 2019, 04:19:05 PM »
Or even better (at least for me) as this is a sim and we can do what we want on our own, to just keep them flying.

No. Not allowed.
The AIGAA has grounded them all in FS airspace.

Offline Ryan1549

  • AIG Dispatch Beta Tester
  • Senior Captain
  • ***
  • Posts: 871
    • FSAI-Repaints
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #109 on: March 15, 2019, 04:32:29 PM »
 :groan:


American Airlines Family

My Photos
https://flightaware.com/user/ryan1549

AIG Beta Tester | AIG Dispatch Painter | Starting out flightplanner | P3Dv4

Offline KampfHase

  • AIG Dispatch
  • Command Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 2138
    • Jetphotos
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #110 on: March 15, 2019, 04:48:48 PM »
We are still talking about a fatal crash which lead to the death of dozens of humans, right?
If it rains, be happy. It will rain anyway.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photographer/3026

Offline ath63

  • Turbine 2nd Officer
  • ***
  • Posts: 122
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #111 on: March 15, 2019, 05:18:32 PM »
I keep mine flying. Nobody shall tell me what do do on my own computer, or what to feel.


Offline delta64heavy

  • Turbine Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 718
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #113 on: March 15, 2019, 07:02:55 PM »

More importantly..


Has anyone removed all the MAXs from their AI traffic yet ??

(hides under desk)

VERY important, indeed  :groan:
Honestly if I had a list to hand of where every MAX 8 (and 9 depending on the nationality) I'd put together a quick set of plans to have them all parked up, would be kinda cool to see.

Edit - Screw it, I've got the production list open on Planespotters and Flightradar for tracking, tonight I'll start making a list of where they all are and try to put something together where they'll all only fly like one TNG a week late at night on a Sunday say. All you'd have to do is take a few seconds to change your atc_parking_types=GATE to iirc PARKING in your MAX 8 cfg file ????

hey benclark, can I get a copy of that when you are done? I want to do the same out respect for everyone that lost their lives in these two tragic crashes.
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't working on it or flying on it!

Offline sharklet_a319

  • AIG Dispatch
  • Command Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 5022
Regards, Chris

AIG Admin | AIG Beta | AIG Dispatch | AIG Tech | P3Dv4

Offline Christopher Low

  • Turbine 1st Officer
  • ****
  • Posts: 392
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #115 on: March 18, 2019, 06:01:05 PM »
Why exactly would any certification decisions be passed over to the aircraft manufacturer?

Offline Simbol

  • Prop Captain
  • **
  • Posts: 71
    • www.FSReborn.com
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #116 on: March 18, 2019, 07:44:31 PM »
With Boeing willing now to update the MCAS software it makes me wonder, how are they going to avoid a multi billion law sue from these accidents..

S.

Offline tallpilot

  • Prop 1st Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 18
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #117 on: March 21, 2019, 05:51:46 AM »
Why exactly would any certification decisions be passed over to the aircraft manufacturer?

Money.  Depending on the political opinions of the speaker the rationalizations given will vary but that doesn't change the underlying reason.

Let's point out that this was not a new type certification process since the aircraft was added to the existing 737 type.  Those are handled with far less regulatory scrutiny compared to a new type certificate.  In order to reduce R&D and certification costs for the manufacturer and pilot training costs for the purchasing operators a great deal of effort is expended to avoid new types whenever remotely possible.  Airbus was eating Boeing's lunch with the NEO so they had to answer with something but were caught relatively flat footed.  (According to my contacts at Boeing the general opinion was the next clean sheet single aisle airliner they designed would be single pilot thus no reason to do anything but tweak the 737 around the edges to eek a few more years out of it.  Ironically this debacle may well set the time frame for passenger acceptance of that concept back significantly).  The 737 was originally meant to be rather small and each attempt to increase its range, size and/or mount larger more efficient engines has added additional engineering kludge beyond the scope of this diatribe but well documented elsewhere. 

There are unfortunately some major irregularities in this case.  The trim authority given to the MCAS system as reported to the certification authorities was found to be inadequate during flight testing and dramatically increased.  That was not reported (likely to prevent a re-run of the risk analysis which could have led to additional pilot training requirements at a minimum if not loss of common type altogether).  That is where I think the attorneys working the civil actions will focus.

The other issue is the dual angle of attack sensors with a comparator in the cockpit should be standard equipment instead of an option.  There should also be indications when the system is active so it is obvious to the pilot that it needs to be turned off if it is trimming nose down unnecessarily.  There might be a good reason not to do it but at first blush I think the system should be deactivated by the same procedure that stops an ordinary trim runaway since that is how the malfunction would feel to the pilot.  The fact that the procedure to deactivate the system didn't even appear in the manual until after the first crash indicates Boeing did not envision this particular failure scenario.

I will point out I am a fan of Boeing's design philosophy over Airbus' but in this case I cannot defend them.

Offline Toohigh

  • Turbine Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 590
Re: Ethiopian Max8 crash
« Reply #118 on: March 22, 2019, 09:25:59 AM »
Garuda Indonesia has canceled an order of 49 737max.

LOT, Enterair and Norwegian have announced to require financial compensation from Boeing because of the groundings.


Aeroflot s lowcoast airline Pobeda may also cancel orders of 30 737max. The government wants them to buy Irkut MS-21 instead.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2019, 03:59:40 PM by Toohigh »