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Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« on: January 08, 2020, 04:31:41 AM »
Still a developing story at this point, but it appears that a 737-800 operated by Ukraine International has crashed during initial climbout from Tehran IKA :'(

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51029994

Exact frame is UR-PSR according to FlightRadar24:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569

Obviously there are more details that are yet to be reported. But eyewitness videos are already circulating that appear to show what looks to be flames coming off the aircraft. One can be found in the comments to FR24's tweet regarding the situation:

https://twitter.com/carp3/status/1214757516036493312
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2020, 11:27:13 AM »
The hairs on my arm stand when watching that video, can you imagine the horror onboard?!
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2020, 01:40:16 PM »
Tragic  :'(

And I read that Iran won't give Boeing the black boxes

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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2020, 01:52:20 PM »
 Tragic indeed, may the souls rest in peace  ::urgent::. it is a 737-800W NG and it is only 3 years old and if it is well maintained and ofc the pilots are definitely competent and fit to fly as it is too late in the aviation era for the opposite of that to happen, I don’t think it could be anything technical but well only know after the investigation. But referencing to the info DHC8 said and also what ppl said they saw on flight radar as well as how the debris was scattered and the current situation around the airspace I’m afraid it could be something else. If the amazon 767 crash still hasn’t been closed then it might be a while till we understand fully why this happened.

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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2020, 02:02:17 PM »
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2020, 03:30:34 PM »
 Indeed

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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2020, 03:43:12 PM »
Tragic and sad.  :'( I flew on UR-PSR from Kiev to Amsterdam in October 2016 when it was just a few months old.
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2020, 07:30:00 PM »
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

Seems to be a popular theory so far, but I'm not on board with it at this time. To me, it seems like we would have seen the aircraft explode in the video as soon as a missile hit it. The other side of that coin is that it could have been struck by anti-aircraft guns instead of a missile. No matter what happened, it's a tragedy :'(
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2020, 07:58:51 PM »
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

Sorry Brian, not my point of view. Any speculation at this point and at this time about the circumstances of this tragedy should be omited in respect of the victims and their families .  And it is no support of the truth which might be usefull to all involved. Just my two cents.
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 08:17:01 PM »
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

I also think it was a missile yes, at this point it is speculation however if you look at the facts we already know,

1. Iran's president had recently threatened to shoot a plane down

2. PS752 was one of the first departures of the morning from Tehran

3. Very experience crew of 3 with between 7600-12000 hours on the 737 each, also with 3 in the Cockpit one would have had time to contact ATC if it was just an engine failure

4. The area the aircraft flew over was the area missiles were launched from just hours earlier

5.  Debris field is spread over a mile, suggesting mid air breakup

6. A engine failure wouldn't cause such a crash, the theories of it causing a fuel tank issue are almost impossible
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2020, 08:45:51 PM »
Remember the crash of the Concorde, nothing is impossible sadly.

And for example it makes no difference whether a aircraft starts as numer one or later. This means nothing. MH17 was also not the first plane..

Sorry guys, I understand, that everyone wants to know the truth as early as possible. But without any confirmed facts, they are and will be rumors, speculation.
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2020, 08:50:08 PM »
Lots of calls it was a missile...MH17 springs to mind again

I also think it was a missile yes, at this point it is speculation however if you look at the facts we already know,

1. Iran's president had recently threatened to shoot a plane down

2. PS752 was one of the first departures of the morning from Tehran

3. Very experience crew of 3 with between 7600-12000 hours on the 737 each, also with 3 in the Cockpit one would have had time to contact ATC if it was just an engine failure

4. The area the aircraft flew over was the area missiles were launched from just hours earlier

5.  Debris field is spread over a mile, suggesting mid air breakup

6. A engine failure wouldn't cause such a crash, the theories of it causing a fuel tank issue are almost impossible

Re: 1)

Why would they shoot down an airliner from a non-hostile country, and with the majority of passengers being Iranians? That makes no sense.

I agree that it looks like it may be a missile, but I think it was accidental (like MH17).

The sticking point now is who is going to analyze the FDR/CVR? There's no way Iran is going to give those to Boeing.
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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2020, 09:02:03 PM »
 Is them refusing to hand over the blackboxes immoral or is there like a rule over who can have possession of the blackboxes?

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Re: Ukraine International 737-800 Crash in Iran
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2020, 01:09:21 PM »
Oh totally Ben, an accidental shoot down. I dont think this would have been intentional.
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